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Because there was no evidence to substantiate them.

That's possible of course but then wouldn't there be reports correcting the previous reports of another shooter and explaining the error? Instead there seems to have been a total absence of such reports.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think that you're attributing far too much journalistic integrity to news channels. If in the initial chaos and activity of a huge breaking story they report a detail which subsequently proves untrue, there's not much incentive to subsequently correct it (unless they've slandered someone). They're there to fill airtime and sell advertising space, and there's no mileage for them in broadcasting the fact that they make mistakes sometimes.

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..let us not make the same mistake as crash in disproportionately assigning weight to anecdotes over statistics. Just as individual school shootings are statistical anomalies rather than a solid basis for policy making, that single event can only ever be a single event and is not itself a trend.

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Generalizations are always dangerous but IMHO the Stand-my-Ground -type of laws are not rare in the US and they represent something that is horribly wrong. Some years ago we read about an exchange student who was shot in someones backyard. Shot and killed yet the shooter was never even charged. THAT IS WHAT THE ABUNDANCE OF GUNS HAS COME UP TO!! (sorry to have shouted). Gun-related violence has been normalized to the extent that people just shrug their shoulders and actually think that these thing just happen. Well, they shouldnt!In my country kids (adults too) can cut across a neighbors yard on their way home without ever even having to think that they might get shot. Why is that not a good thing?

I don't recall a mass shooting that wasn't eventually followed by a news conference where law enforcement laid out what they knew about the incident, including the number of shooters, perhaps you just weren't watching.Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

I don't even know how to begin trying to tell you how alien and insane that sounds to British ears. Most of us here recoil at the idea of armed police!!!! The notion that teachers should go round carrying guns......You yanks are fucking crazy man!!! Schools should have gun carrying security guards so that the general populace can all also carry guns. This is "common sense"....?(**Straggler shakes head in uncomprehending bewilderment at the lunacy of it all**)

Hi RahvinHere's some more information:10 Terrifying Facts About Guns In The U.S. - Upworthy

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With gun control suddenly at the forefront of the American political conversation, interest groups on both sides of the debate have started to make their own claims about the state of guns and gun violence in America. So, what do the numbers really look like? Check below the graphic for our sources.

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Kenneth D. Kochanek, Jiaquan Xu, Sherry L. Murphy, Arialdi M. Minino, and Hsiang-Ching Kung. "Deaths: Final Data for 2009." National Vital Statistics Reports. Dec. 19, 2011.

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Christpher S. Koper. "Crime Gun Risk Factors: Buyer, Seller, Firearm, and Transaction Characteristics Associated with Gun Trafficking and Criminal Gun Use." Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania. 2007.

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"Point, Click, Fire: An Investigation Of Illegal Online Gun Sales." City of New York. December 2011.

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Caroline Wolf Harlow. "Firearm Use by Offenders." U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. November 2001.

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Sam Stein. "Gun Owners Surveyed By Frank Luntz Express Broad Support For Gun Control Policies." The Huffington Post. Jul. 24, 2012.

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U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 924(c)

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U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 2316

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Ezra Klein. "Twelve Facts About Guns and Mass Shootings in the United States." The Washington Post. Dec. 14, 2012.

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Erin G. Richardson and David Hemenway. "Homicide, Suicide, and Unintentional Firearm Fatality: Comparing the United States With Other High Income Countries, 2003." The Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care. January 2011.

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Seems to me that there is plenty of room for more control.Here's a place to sign up to petition the federal government to take action:The White House

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we petition the obama administration to:
Immediately address the issue of gun control through the introduction of legislation in Congress.

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The goal of this petition is to force the Obama Administration to produce legislation that limits access to guns. While a national dialogue is critical, laws are the only means in which we can reduce the number of people murdered in gun related deaths.

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Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution's intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve.

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The signatures on this petition represent a collective demand for a bipartisan discussion resulting in a set of laws that regulates how a citizen obtains a gun.

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Created: Dec 14, 2012

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I've signed.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : second link

Is there a crime more serious than murder? Yes. But the guy killing in defence of himself or his family is not.
Do you feel that the penalty for burglary is death issued through summary justice? Do you think there could be any scope for error in this situation?
Ezekiel McCarthy killed nephew mistaken for burglar - BBC News where have we seen this? So.. Armed guards? armed teachers? armed janitors? armed children maybe?
What kind of world do you want to live in? one where everyone walks around armed to the teeth teetering on the edge of a gunfight? you can watch westerns to get your fix of that. So where do the crazies buy their guns? So... You think that gun control proponents are provoking/instigating mass shootings of elementary school children, in order to further the gun control cause. Are you serious? your paranoia is reaching crisis levels. You sure the catholic church doesn't have a hand in it somehow? If you have any compassion or respect for human life you must understand that taking guns out of circulation is the way to prevent death by gunshot. why is that not obvious to you? what kind of twisted mental blinkers to you need to engage for that not to be screamingly obvious. So in order to prevent burglaries you think it's ok to sacrifice the odd 20 schoolchildren here and there? is your TV or jewellery really that important to you?
What did Jesus have to say about that?

Hello Straggler:Did you watch the video where UK citizens who had been deprived of their guns talked about how they feel they've been victimized by their government? Message 374Same thing in Australia. Message 377Are you aware of any of the history of the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms? We got it from you. Message 57 article at bottom

If there are laws that favor criminals obtaining weapons, those need to be changed.The problem is that when this subject comes up it's the law-abiding citrizens who are targeted by the gun control fanatics.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Lanza Was a law abiding citizen right up until the moment he started shooting

And that gives you an excuse to take the guns away from millions of other law-abiding citizens, right? You'd all prefer that to arming a few principals and teachers or installing a security guard in every school and business.Point stands: tighten laws that make it easy for criminals to get guns. Leave the upright citizens alone. We have the Second Amendment for very good reason. The UK and Australia are now in terrible shape because of their gun bans.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Did I miss some stats being posted on this? Seriously, Faith. I appreciate you letting us peer into your head, but this is beyond irrational. In fact, your entire post is pretty much in line with every caricature the most rabid gun control advocate has ever had of a gun nut.One thing that we can note here is that Lanza's Mom had plenty of guns at her house. Those guns which were used by her son to kill her at home. Boo, hoo. It' possible that Congress will target those guns or magazines that let you "Mix em and cook em in a pot like gumbo." (My apologies to NWA) Yikes. How Old Testament of you not to care.I don't want to create the impression that your post is among the nuttiest stuff we are going to encounter. Here is some even more ridiculous stuff from gun nuts who will push anything other than controls on guns.

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n a National Review Online post, author Charlotte Allen followed the lead of other right-wing media figures by suggesting that the deaths at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut were the result of a "feminized setting" in which "helpless passivity is the norm."

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As The Nation's Jessica Valenti noted, Allen also suggested that "some of the huskier 12-year-old boys" at the school could have attacked the shooter and altered the outcome of the event.

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Just how many 12 years old are there at a k-4 school anyway?

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Similarly, Newsweek and Daily Beast special correspondent Megan McArdle wrote that people, even children, should be trained to "gang rush" active shooters, in contradiction to expert opinion on how best to handle such situations.

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and finally there is this from gun nut Senator Joe Manchin.

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just came with my family from deer hunting, Manchin said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don’t get more than one shot anyway at a deer. It’s common sense. It’s time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common-sense discussion and move in a reasonable way.

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I don’t know anyone in the hunting or sporting arena that goes out with an assault rifle, he said. I don’t know anybody that needs 30 rounds in the clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.

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This nut actually wants to curtail our, um place reason limits on ... uh Whoops. I almost went off the rails again. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

the point is that tightening gun availability for criminals would not have prevented Connecticut, or aurora or most of the other mass shootings, as the perpetrators were not criminals.

Well they're entitled to their opinion, but not their guns - this democracy voted against them.If they want to play with guns they know which country would love to have them.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.