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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Correct. That is what happens when the Germany army meets legally armed Polish civilians. 2.5 million Polish die and Germany takes over their country. But that wasn't what happen in Algeria when the hand guns suddenly were thrust into the ribs of a French soldier or policeman and he died in a hit and run that could not be stopped. The Pop Shot forced all French people off the streets and out of the markets.The IRA demonstrated the same thing against the British economy. And the mass protest in the Arab Spring has illustrated what instantaneous communications can do politically.
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 242 Joined: |
Private companies are just fine in the US; GM & the stockholders are coming along, despite the foolishness of the bond holders who knew exactly what they were getting into ( I know, I service their accounts); the stock market is chugging along as usual; and congress is doing what the corporations are paying them to do - along with a little help from the voting public.
The money being paid to 'the filthy rich' is being funneled into congressional campaigns, true, but I hardly consider that actual tyranny. I don't think Sheldon Adelson & crew are very happy with the electoral outcome, based on their money spent.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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All the countries with a Human Development Index over 73% ("very high" according to UNDP) are represented. Figures are taken from the WP articles: * List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia* List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia * Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia Following the links will show where they got their figures from.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
1) "A large American study indicated that liberalized laws for carrying concealed weapons reduced murder rates in the US by 8.5%.
2) "US homicide rates in the year 1900 were an estimated (at only) 1 per 100,000 at a time when anyone of any age could buy a gun." 3) "American gun supply (including handguns) doubled from the 1973-1992 period, during which homicide rates remained unchanged "(WALL STREET JOURNAL, 4-Aug-2000, p.A10). 4) "New Hampshire and Vermont have some of the least stringent gun control laws in the US, yet have lower murder rates than Massachusetts,..." which has tough gun control laws. We DO know for sure that Whites kill half of the people murdered, while Blacks kill the other half.
And we KNOW that they did this almost exclusively to their own people, too, not each other.
And we KNOW that the non-Black population is@ 87.5% and the Black population is@ 12.5%, yet both murder the same number of people, or that Black on Black murder is 5 times the White rate. And we KNOW it is the young killers who are murdering people:
And we do know that 70% of the Blacks youths are now raised by Single Mothers on Welfare.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
First, circumventing the rules for dissolving a corporation in order to give the business to the workers is Marxism, which no bond invester knew he was agreeing to.
Second, wiping out the ownership of the Stock Holders and handing the company over to the unions is exactly the enemy America has fought the Cold War to keep out of the country. Third, to do these things instead of making the unions face the fact that they forced negotiations to pay them more than the company could is exactly why Greece can not rescue itself and revolt in the streets is imminent there, as it will be here when the die is cast. Maybe that is the reason for the camps. Maybe nationalizing the American Oil Companies is reason for attacking those rich little stock holders who have IRA's for their retirement, while the rabble rousing suggests some one person owns MOBIL OIL? Won't it be nice for politician to avoid raising taxes openly, when they can just raise our gas and electric bills unnoticed? Maybe those camos are there because the rural areas and the suburban areas might notice???
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
KOFH2u: ... so, then you are well aware that the crime is in poor inner city neighborhood where fatherless boys are raised by Single Mothers who can not represent that authority figure which is so necessary to instilling respect for rules in general. ramoss: Care to show studies for that?I found one refuting it. 35 schools in ten cities,researchers found that students attending schools with a higher proportion of teens from single-parent families committed more violent offenses, regardless of their own family structure. An important thing to notice about the results is that it matters how many single-parent families a student is exposed to, regardless of whether the student has one or two parents in the home. (Anderson 2002, p. 585) A study of American Indian middleschoolers found that after [c]ontrolling for only age, gender and family per capita income, living in a two-parent family decreased gang involvement by more than 50%.... (Whitbeck 2002, p. 17) Of the seven studies4 that looked at whether aggregate divorce or out-ofwedlock childbearing rates affected crime rates, six found that some changes in family structure were related to increases in crime and one (Parker and Johns 2002) found mixed results.5 more... Marital Agreements - Institute for Marriage and Public Policy
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
KOFH2u: ... so, then you are well aware that the crime is in poor inner city neighborhood where fatherless boys are raised by Single Mothers who can not represent that authority figure which is so necessary to instilling respect for rules in general. ramoss: Care to show studies for that?I found one refuting it. The source you recommended below is interesting. Marital Agreements - Institute for Marriage and Public Policy What this psychologist assumed was that a broken family meant that no natural father or a stand in Step father was present.He found that the studies are correct. It turns out that a Step father is actually worse than no father. A broken family clearly means the father is not present and no stand in step father is a substitute. This confirms that No Fault Divorce and remarriage is actually worse and more abusive to the children. NOTE from your source: If delinquency were a response to excessive maternal identification, however, the presence of a stepfather should reduce the criminogenic effects of paternal loss. This does not occur. In fact, studies have consistently shown higher rates of delinquency for boys who had substitute fathers than those having no fathers in the home (Glueck and Glueck; Hirschi; McCord, McCord, and Thurber). Despite the frequency with which both the popular press and participants in the legal system blame "broken" homes for failures to socialize children as willing participants in an ordered social system, their conclusion goes well beyond the facts. Research that takes into account the role of parental conflict, stress, or socioeconomic conditions in relation to single-parent families fails to show that single-parent families contribute disproportionately to crime. Read more: Family Relationships and Crime - Single-parent Families And Crime - Parents, Homes, Effects, and Parental - JRank Articles
Family Relationships and Crime - Single-parent Families And Crime - Parents, Effects, Homes, and Parental
- JRank Articles
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
After we're already in camps I just advocate prayer.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are acting as if this kid must INEVITABLY try to steal a car, so that means if I'm going to defend my car he's going to INEVITABLY get shot. JUST TEACH HIM NOT TO STEAL!
If criminals get caught in the act ---, I'm talking CRIMINALS, GROWNUPS CAUGHT IN A CRIMINAL ACT, I'm not talking children in candy stores, I'm not talking kids chasing a soccer ball of all the crazy ideas -- people ought to have the right to defend themselves AND their property. If people with criminal intent are deterred by the threat of being shot, then they won't be shot. Seems logical to me. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Faith writes: people ought to have the right to defend themselves AND their property. Period. If people with criminal intent are deterred by the threat of being shot, then they won't be shot. Seems logical to me. People do have the right to defend themselves and their property. They are allowed to use reasonable force to do so. Reasonable force can and does mean fatal force if that is reasonable at the time. It doesn't mean that if you find a kid trying to break into your car that you can shoot him dead with a rifle whilst sat safely on your porch - even in your country. (I hope.) (And, by the way, is that the Christian thing to do?)Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
This is an interesting read:
http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunsvscars.pdf
quote: "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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How about non-lethal weapons?
Non-lethal weapon - Wikipedia quote: Would you give up your guns in exchange for a taser or a bean-bag firing gun?Would rubber bullets be a satisfactory replacement? Would the 'home defence' gun advocates be ok with changing to non-lethal guns? Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Dr Adequate,
Just a small question here
quote: Would not a better statistic be number of gun owners per 100 residents? Someone owning 80 guns could not use them all at once (they would likely be inclined to use one, but moreso than a person owning a single gun?) This doesn't alter the fact that the US is the highest for gun related deaths. enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
dup post
Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tempe 12ft Chicken Member (Idle past 357 days) Posts: 438 From: Tempe, Az. Joined: |
However, when you actually look at those number homicide is not the number one cause of firearm-related deaths. At least in the case of Arizona, my home state, the highest cause was suicide with a firearm. The totals for Arizona in 2009 are:
Homicide: 224Suicide: 596 Accidental: 7 So, looking at this it is not our aggressive nature as much as it is related to mental health and depression. If we can achieve beneficial results in the fields of mental health treatment, then we can begin to lower these gun related deaths without even removing guns from the street. I mean seriously, depression is responsible for 72% of the firearm-related deaths! 72%!!!!! Another thing is that whatever study you cited seems to have extra deaths that are not accounted for in the numbers from the Arizona Department of Health Services. There are 29 deaths extra listed in your numbers and not sure where they came from.
Firearm-related Deaths: Arizona Look, I am all for registration of guns and safes, closing the gun show loophole, requiring a background check even for private citizens selling guns, and holding gun owners legally responsible for any crime committed with a firearm registered to them. However, guns are not the main issue. If we do not do something about the mental health aspect, then this suicide rate is not going to diminish by much because these are motivated individuals who will find a way. This means we will still be dealing with a high rate of preventable death, and the other homicides are not even guaranteed to diminish, but could change to another means of murder. What I am saying is let's focus on the 72% first and then we can worry about the other levels. PS - I can't seem to find the group responsible for these reports for the other states yet, but I will post the percentages once I can figure out the correct group to retrieve them from.The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams
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