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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Gun owners still get robbed. But as we've seen, they're less likely to be robbed while they're home. Which is safer for all concerned.
It seems like the criminals just get bigger guns. No, that's inaccurate. They actually make an effort to rob unoccupied homes. In the UK, where the populace has been denied the tools of self-defense, they don't bother to make the effort.
YOU are the one who said if threatened with being shot they would stop. But they don't stop. Then how do arrests occur?
Those same exact children STILL break the law sometimes. And it should be they, and not their victims, who bear the physical burden of their crimes.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Catholic Scientist
Doesn't look like any correlation to speak of to me. ... Of course one of the reasons for this failure is the statistics used:
USA 88 4.2 Number of homicides is per 100? Number of gun owners not used (number of people with access to guns?) Number of guns (/100 people iirc) = 88.8 does not mean that 88.8% of the population own guns or have access to one (and would be comparable to those potentially involve in gun homicide). Say the average gun owner has 3 guns in the US, that makes the number of gun owners/100 to be something like 29.6%. Similar adjustments for all other countries would change all the data, and would be more indicative in whether or not there is a correlation. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
About 6 months after every school in the USA has armed guards at the gates and in the corridors, there will be a massacre on a school bus.
The NRA's immediate response will be to demand armed guards riding shotgun on school buses. And so on.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Tangle
The NRA's immediate response will be to demand armed guards riding shotgun on school buses. And when one of those armed guards goes on a rampage ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
RAZD writes: And when one of those armed guards goes on a rampage ... And when one of those armed guards shoots a child when he was reaching for a hidden banana....Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
And when one of those armed guards goes on a rampage ...
... then it wouldn't matter if he used a gun or an axe.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
And when one of those armed guards shoots a child when he was reaching for a hidden banana.... ... then we will know either the training or the psych eval were deficient.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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And when one of those armed guards goes on a rampage ...
And when one of those armed guards shoots a child when he was reaching for a hidden banana....
... then we will know it was a god awful idea to begin with.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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..ah, good. i thought for a minute you didn't have it quite sorted out. But obviously you do, children are safe again, phew.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
This seems off. I would expect that gun industry profits, excluding manufacture for armed forces (which a gun ban wouldn't stop) are driven primarily by the production and sale of handguns, not semiauto rifles. Just wondering if you had some evidence for the reverse. Assault Weapons Sales Boom Fuels Gun Industry Profits, And Tragedy | HuffPost Latest News
quote: quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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... then it wouldn't matter if he used a gun or an axe. Yes it would. There is actually a reason why people buy guns rather than axes. Guns are more effective. Otherwise they could save a whole lot of money, and the National Ax Association would be bigger than the NRA. There'd be big savings for the Army, too.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Murders happen overwhelmingly because one individual wants another individual dead, and once that guy is dead, they're done murdering. And whether a gun is around, or a knife or a necktie or a pair of bare hands, is really very immaterial to that. But I don't see any way to so restrict him, without also restricting his victim, and I very much want his victim armed with a handgun and ten rounds [...] I want the right people to die instead of the wrong ones, Rahvin. Maybe that's the difference we can't bridge, here. Killings in self-defense happen overwhelmingly because one individual wants to defend himself against an assailant, and once that guy is dead, they're done self-defending. And whether a gun is around, or a knife or a necktie or a pair of bare hands, is really very immaterial to that. Remember, guns don't protect people, people protect people.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
No. See above. Teachers are citizens, police are run by the state, I'm for arming citizens, not so much agents of the state although that too does seem necessary these days. What did you have in mind when you wrote this? Were you think that state troopers or the FBI would be patrolling the schools? Because almost certainly, both the teacher and the policeman in the school are going to be employees of the same governmental unit. Neither would be run by the state. Perhaps you meant to say that the teachers were civilians? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Yep.
"Guns don't kill people - people kill people. But guns make it a whoooole lot easier."Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
"The overwhelming majority of gun related crimes are committed with guns that have been stolen, and traded for drugs.
Those guns are passed from criminal to criminal, sold and resold, and may very well be used in hundreds of crimes before they are recovered from someone accused of a crime." What Percentage Of Crimes Committed With Illegal And Legal Guns - Gun Laws We do have a handle on the source of guns recovered from persons arrested and accused of a crime. Of guns recovered from persons arrested and charged with a crime: 84 percent of those guns were stolen in a burglary; including 4 percent stolen from a relative or a friend.
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