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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Yes, that's working really good in Syria right now.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3846 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Yes, that's working really good in Syria right now.
The rebels are executing the murderers of the regime with consequences that will stop the dictatorial past where they were getting away with murder. The use of murder and fear to extort power over all those others now rebelling,... without guns but bare hands , just took more abuse and time to get everyone out on the street. That is why America needs the constitution in place.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8551 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The organization has lost touch with the realities of our society. It is time for this group to be sidelined then ignored.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Why is it that anytime we see the word "shill" being thrown around its always in regard to some industry. If industries don't defend themselves against attack, they will end up disappearing. The word shill is completely appropriate here. A shill is not simply someone who represents you, such as your lawyer. To wit:
quote: By shill, I mean that the NRA, while ostensibly being an organization expressing the interests of ordinary gun owners seems these days to primarily represent the interests of the gun industry. And why not, the bulk of the NRA's money comes from the other sources including the gun industry, and not from member dues: The NRA Has Sold Out to the Gun Industry to Become Their Top Crisis PR Firm
quote: So my use of the word shill is not idle. And as long as I have the dictionary open... The word diddly squat... Diddly-squat - definition of diddly-squat by The Free Dictionary
quote: Not necessarily zero; but a worthless amount. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
IMAGINE the impact if all murderers we executed promptly and advertised as publicly as in Muslim nations where murder is so low?????? Only the homicide rate is even lower in countries without the death penalty, such as Denmark or Sweden or the Netherlands or than it is in countries with the death penalty such as China or Saudi Arabia or Iran or the United States. So apparently the correlation isn't so clear-cut as you would like to think.
And, conversely, isn't the anti-death penalty people a waste of time (since we really do not kill anyone anyway, i.e., 43 people out of 10,000 murders), and waste of money/lobbying De facto, plus advocates that advertise that murderers might avoid such a fate, so they take their chances??? On the other hand, isn't it by the same token equally a waste of time for people to be in favor of the death penalty? You guys only get to kill 43 people a year and, really, how much of a deterrent is that?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There's something a little odd about this graph, don't you think?
What's odd about it is that there's no scale for one of the figures. Unless the author is really claiming that in the year 2000 there were 100 murders per capita. Shall we have a real graph? Let's.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3846 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
There's something a little odd about this graph, don't you think?
What's odd about it is that there's no scale for one of the figures. Unless the author is really claiming that in the year 2000 there were 100 murders per capita. Shall we have a real graph? Let's.
They are both saying the same thing. The first graph is based upon murders per 66,000 per capita, while your second graph is based upon 100,000 per capita. 1) Note, though, that from 1930 through 1960, executions dropped because murderers disappeared, as shown in that both curves went down. Then, with the Sexual Revolution, the increase in Single Mothers (because of Welfare which Johnson started), and fatherless kids grew up. 2) The almost zero Executions remained there, between 1965-1980, as murders sky rocketed from 1965 thru 1980.This is clearly notable on both graphs. 3) Murders sky rocketed during that hiatus, 1965-1980, in Executions as seen on both charts. 4) When Executions returned in 1990, few as they have been, murders decreased, PER CAPITA on both curves. But my POINT is that America does NOT actually execute murderers, but drags out 30 years of court discussions, ending with about 42 actual executions. The riff raff KNOWS this, and see Execution as a rare rare pay back.In prisons and gangs and among themselves, they KNOW what they call The System. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3846 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
On the other hand, isn't it by the same token equally a waste of time for people to be in favor of the death penalty? You guys only get to kill 43 people a year and, really, how much of a deterrent is that?
Its an important deterent as can be supported with the Plea Bargaining process. Criminals will negotite to avoid the sentence and cooperate in many ways with the police, including ratting out the ither people involved and confessing to many unsoved crimes that cost time and money to continue pursuing. That when faced with death, these people change their attitude in these plea bargains is the tip of the iceberg we note on these graphs in regard to lowering the murder rate. What the average citizen does't realize is that criminal are well versed and educated in the price they coulkd pay for crimes.Police send them messages by focusing on certain criminal acivity so harshly and disppoportionately at times that the criminals stop that specific behavior. WAe saw that in the '30s with Bank Robbery and Kidnapping.Making those Federa Crimes with long sentences almost stopped the crimes in this sectors. Car Jacking has almist been eliminated since the days when the criminal merely got a smack on the hand. If America doesn't wake up to REALITIES, and face the Facts of Life, murders will continue without change.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3846 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The organization has lost touch with the realities of our society. It is time for this group to be sidelined then ignored. The CEO of the NRA said that to collect 250,000 kids into one big daily community called the Public Schools in the major cities and have NO POLICEMAN there is insane and stupid. The CEO of the NRA said that the anti-gun people, effectively, were responsible for these deaths, not the gun.They are the Enablers, and the people who remove the Deterent. A absence of a man with a gun and authority to maintain Law and Order was the reason 20 children died, and all those college students in the recent past. It is dumb and even stupid when people still maintain all the younger generation will be OK without a policeman watching over their "society."These same dumb people would NEVER live without a phone call away from a policeman, nor venture into the market places and streets if they were not CERTAIN police were around. Would they? Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given. Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If America doesn't wake up to REALITIES, and face the Facts of Life, murders will continue without change. Except, dear kofh2u, that the figures show the murder rate is declining and is now as low as it's been in a hundred years.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The CEO of the NRA said that the anti-gun people, effectively, were responsible for these deaths, not the gun. Well, it's his job to be an evil stupid liar, isn't it? That's what the gun industry pays him for.
They are the Enablers, and the people who remove the Deterent. There were armed guards at Columbine. And Virginia Tech. And Fort Hood. They don't serve as much of a deterrent to a mass-murderer, because most of these guys intend to get shot.
These same dumb people would NEVER live without a phone call away from a policeman ... Schools are also a phone call away from a policeman.
... nor venture into the market places and streets if they were not CERTAIN police were around. I've walked down the street with no policeman present. Haven't you? There are lots of places where people congregate which aren't guarded by policemen actually stationed there. Shops. Workplaces. Churches. Libraries. Playgrounds. Streets. If policemen were free of cost, then it might be a good idea to put them everywhere. As is it, we have to be practical. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3846 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
If America doesn't wake up to REALITIES, and face the Facts of Life, murders will continue without change. Except, dear kofh2u, that the figures show the murder rate is declining and is now as low as it's been in a hundred years.
So true.The rate of crime has dropped in half since the Abortion Rate eliminated about half of the illegitimate babies starting just 15-20 years before. What we have seen is the abortions have cut the murder rate, not Gun Laws. As ex-Sec of Education, William Bennett said on the radio, wiping out the remaining Welfare Single Mother Families could drop the murder Rate again to alomost nil. Freakonomics authors Steven Levitt and Steven Dubner attribute the drop in crime to the legalization of abortion in the 1970s, as they suggest that many would-be neglected children and criminals were never born. Crime in New York City - Wikipedia However, we are now seeing the Single Mother population nthe rise again.Half of all births today ar illegitimate., @ 1,500,000, in spite we abort 1.2 million.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3846 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
I've walked down the street with no policeman present. Haven't you?
... lol... Even Jesse Jackson said that when he walks in DC at night and hears foot steps behind him, he is relied to discover it is a white man. Are you trying to tell me that YOU, whether black or white, are fearless walking in any major intercity in America today??? I believe you believe your own nonsense here, but its liberal Politically Correct "thinking" which is even beginning to defy Common Sense. The Ceo of the NRA is dead right, that schools and colleges are easy pickings for an armed intruder who as a long wait before a SWAT team will appear with Bull Horns. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Are you trying to tell me that YOU, whether black or white, are fearless walking in any major intercity in America today??? I live in Las Vegas, I'm happy to walk down any street on which there are no policeman. Otherwise, I should be pretty much confined to my house. How about you?
The Ceo of the NRA is dead right, that schools and colleges are easy pickings for an armed intruder who as a long wait before a SWAT team will appear with Bull Horns. And so is practically every other place. It's not just schools, as I pointed out. It's libraries, swimming pools, playgrounds, zoos, churches ... wherever. We simply can't put policemen everywhere to pick off the armed intruder when he turns up. Policemen can respond to crimes once they've been committed or are in progress, and the fact that they will do so doubtless deters non-crazy people from committing them. But as a practical matter of economics, you can't station a policeman everywhere a crime might be committed to deter crimes by their presence. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What we have seen is the abortions have cut the murder rate ... We haven't seen that, some people have speculated that this is the case.
... not Gun Laws. Or executions, which is what we were talking about.
As ex-Sec of Education, William Bennett said on the radio, wiping out the remaining Welfare Single Mother Families could drop the murder Rate again to alomost nil. Actually, you'd have to murder a whole lot of people to wipe out all the single-parent families. Were you thinking of targeting the parents or the children? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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