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Dr Adequate
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Message 781 of 5179 (685669)
12-24-2012 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by kofh2u
12-24-2012 5:49 PM


Apparently you see the hypocricy of what Herr Doctor is saying, in that murder rates have declined while guns have multiplied in our society tremendously in quantity and fire power.
Apparently you don't know what "hypocrisy" means. Also, you may be an idiot.

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Percy
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Message 782 of 5179 (685670)
12-24-2012 8:22 PM


NRA's Wayne LaPierre Answers Critics on Firemen Shootings
Excerpt from today's Daily Planet:
Metropolis. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre today responded to increased demands for gun control in the wake of the gun deaths of two firemen responding to a fire early this morning in Webster, NY. Two other firemen were wounded. At a hastily called press conference on Christmas Eve LaPierre called for the arming of all firemen, and for all fire responders to be accompanied by SWAT teams.
Said LaPierre, "Deranged and evil people possessed by voices and driven by demons walk among us, even at emergencies like fires and accidents. We must protect our gallant public servants, and that means that at all fires and accidents SWAT teams must go in first to secure the area, and only then should armed firefighters go in to fight the fire or armed EMTs go in to treat accident victims."
--Percy
PS - The above excerpt is, of course, fictional. I'm sure Wayne LaPierre is home with his family this Christmas Eve while in Webster, New York, widows and children mourn the loss of their husbands and fathers.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 783 of 5179 (685671)
12-24-2012 8:27 PM
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12-24-2012 6:57 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
3) We might then note that 70% of the Black Community is on Welfare ...
... leading us to the even more shocking statistic that black people comprise over 200% of welfare recipients.
Unless, of course, you're just making this shit up as you go along.

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Eli
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Message 784 of 5179 (685674)
12-24-2012 9:48 PM
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12-24-2012 6:57 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
70% of blacks are not on welfare.
And there are more whites on welfare than blacks, so your assessment should end in a conclusion that murders are predominantly done by the hands of whites.
But, I suppose that if you begin with a dataset that you make up rather than being fact based, you can come to whatever conclusion you want regardless of the truth.
Glas to see we can all agree that you are an idiot, at least.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 785 of 5179 (685675)
12-24-2012 10:05 PM
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12-24-2012 8:22 PM


Re: NRA's Wayne LaPierre Answers Critics on Firemen Shootings
Other places we need armed guards are chicken processing plants, beauty salons, and aerobics classes.
Only when there are guns everywhere will we be safe from guns. They're much like grizzly bears in that respect. If only we could have a bear on every street and in every building, then they'd scare all the bears away and we wouldn't have to worry about bears any more. If only someone manufactured bears and sold them at a profit then you'd know that already.
We could kill two birds with one stone by giving the guns to the grizzlies, thus making ourselves doubly safe. I know the constitution backwards, and it definitely gives us the right to arm bears.

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Faith 
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Message 786 of 5179 (685681)
12-25-2012 4:04 AM


More armed people is the solution; and Israel
Just heard an interview on Worldview Weekend with Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America mostly about his being interviewed by Piers Morgan who went ballistic over Pratt's pro gun position, but in the interview it was mentioned that applications for concealed-carry gun permits are up, which I'm glad to hear. Pratt also said that the interview with Morgan brought his website a huge number of new registrations. Also glad to hear that.
Pratt also made the argument that having a few teachers with concealed carry permits is a better solution to the problem than having a security guard who would become a target, and I agree. That's better than nothing but armed teachers is the best. The surprise factor, a potential shooter not knowing who has a gun, can have a strong deterrent effect for starters.
Mall shops should also have armed personnel, so should any business for that matter. We have the Second Amendment for this purpose, to defend ourselves, it's long past time we started putting it to the use for which it was intended.
I'd been wanting to mention Israel for some time because of the presence of armed people all over the place there, and today a friend emailed me a picture demonstrating just that. I posted it at one of my blogs. Israel has an obvious problem with terrorists, but it's beginning to look like we have a similar problem here from a different source.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 787 of 5179 (685683)
12-25-2012 5:09 AM
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12-25-2012 4:04 AM


Re: More armed people is the solution; and Israel
Pratt also made the argument that having a few teachers with concealed carry permits is a better solution to the problem ...
Also manicurists, aerobics instructors, and chicken-deboners.
Safety first!

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Larni
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Message 788 of 5179 (685684)
12-25-2012 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by Faith
12-25-2012 4:04 AM


Re: More armed people is the solution; and Israel
Sigh.
Many of these shooters end up popping themselves so the threat of being killed is not a deterrent.
You are reasoning like someone not resigned to being killed or killing themselves and so you get it wrong.
Put yourself in the shoes of a deranged killer iintent on going out in a blaze of glory and you will see what I mean.
Edited by Larni, : Spellink

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Faith 
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Message 789 of 5179 (685685)
12-25-2012 6:12 AM
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12-25-2012 6:08 AM


Re: More armed people is the solution; and Israel
The fact is they do NOT want to get killed by someone else before they've been able to do some killing themselves. They ARE afraid of the guns that could be against them. But whether they are or not the good guys need them for self defense.

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RAZD
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Message 790 of 5179 (685686)
12-25-2012 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by Faith
12-25-2012 6:12 AM


suicide by police
Hi Faith,
The fact is they do NOT want to get killed by someone else before they've been able to do some killing themselves. They ARE afraid of the guns that could be against them. ...
Ever heard of suicide by police? The intent is to die by the shots of others.
Sadly.

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Message 791 of 5179 (685687)
12-25-2012 8:40 AM
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12-25-2012 8:33 AM


Re: suicide by police
Hello RAZD,
Hope you're doing well these days.
Clearly that was not the case with these killers who chose gun-free zones for their murder spree. Or at least they wanted to kill as many as possible first.
I think gun owners should be very well trained so that if possible one of these crazy guys could be shot in a way so as not to kill him. Maybe that's not possible with someone that heavily armored and armed, but it would be ideal if possible.
I think this picture says it all.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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Message 792 of 5179 (685688)
12-25-2012 9:27 AM
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12-25-2012 8:40 AM


Re: suicide by police
Hi Faith,
Clearly that was not the case with these killers who chose ...
... sites that would draw many heavily armed police\swat while they toy with others lives ... lives that mean nothing to them.
Sadly.

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Larni
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Message 793 of 5179 (685692)
12-25-2012 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by Faith
12-25-2012 6:12 AM


Re: More armed people is the solution; and Israel
They are not afraid of being shot.
They know that they have maybe 10 minutes after they have killed the first few people (high priority targets like guards or teachers).
They are not afraid. If they were they would not do it.
How does that to make sense?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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kofh2u
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Message 794 of 5179 (685696)
12-25-2012 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Eli
12-24-2012 9:48 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
70% of blacks are not on welfare.
And there are more whites on welfare than blacks, so your assessment should end in a conclusion that murders are predominantly done by the hands of whites.
Do you have a number or % of your own?
Check it out.
70% is a conservative estimates.
When we examine that Urban murders take place in all the major cities that are almost 100% Black, now, and almost 90% Single Mother families, cramming together of the Welfare recipients with their fatherless kids, the high rate of murder in America becomes clear.
Blacks represent 12% of the population but @30% of the Single mothers.
Do that math.
The liberal mentality on this thread illustrates the real problem as people here appeal to the"feelings" others might have and the sentiments that would not like to call a spade a spade.
The effort to avoid Facts and Statistics, and do the math ends with nonsense programs like wlefare to sibgle others only if they are single, while knuckle slapping their criminal kids when they meet teachers and the policeman.
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 795 of 5179 (685697)
12-25-2012 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 794 by kofh2u
12-25-2012 12:51 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
You are such a racist.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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