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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3820 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Clearly that was not the case with these killers who chose gun-free zones for their murder spree. Or at least they wanted to kill as many as possible first.
Of course you are right. A shooter does not walk into a police station to kill people because he is deterred by the presence of other guns there. The liberal solution to blame the gun, not these wild people raised as fatherless kids is what is responsible for almost all gun murders. They refuse to accept the failure of their Welfare Program which is $1 Trillion dollars annually now. That "progressive idea" has created every social evil possible.The scotch tape they propose to get around these murders is to take legal guns away from honest responsible citizens. They ignore who the murderer is.They ignore that these killers are even too young to buy a legal gun. The 5 incidents since Columbine hav been rural and suburban mass killers nut cases or a consequence of school bullying re-paid.The 100 murders in these 5 cases pale in comparison with the inter-city killings every year that are about half of all murders in America. What a white wash job to focus on the gun and the nut jobs as if that is America's real problem. The feminist liberal progressive refusal to be logical and perfer the emotional appeals and responses is the really responsible year after year.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3820 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
You are such a racist.
Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with the facts in this matter. You liberal progressives alway fall back on attacking the messenger when you lose the case on rational grounds.
Is Bill Cosby a racists?Of course not. So when Cosby said the same thing as I have, you guys called him a womanizer and adulterer who pinches the women who work for him. But that is just a LAME attempt to divert the Truth and maintain your own nonsense no matter how many peole get killed every year.. . . That was what they did to Bill Cosby, silence him by digging into his past for dirt,... because he said this speech to an all Black audience: Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you've heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak.I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, "David, listen to me. It's not what's he's doing to you. It's what you're not doing." Ladies and gentlemen, these (white) people set -- they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have 50% drop out.In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison. No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband. No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child. Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are not holding their end in this deal.In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on. In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye.And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from. Parents don't know that today. I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve? Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol? And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy? ... on and on... want more of what he says?????? I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, "David, listen to me.It's not what's he's doing to you. It's what you're not doing." Ladies and gentlemen, these (white) people set -- they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have 50% drop out.In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison. No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband. No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child. Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are not holding their end in this deal.In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on. In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye.And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from. Parents don't know that today. I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve? Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol? And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy? Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3491 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
these wild people raised as fatherless kids is what is responsible for almost all gun murders. Bullshit.
They refuse to accept the failure of their Welfare Program which is $1 Trillion dollars annually now. Oh, welfare is what causes people to murder. More bullshit.
The scotch tape they propose to get around these murders is to take legal guns away from honest responsible citizens. Yet more bullshit.
They ignore that these killers are even too young to buy a legal gun. Now this is something we can agree on. No, wait..... yet even more bullshit.
The 100 murders in these 5 cases pale in comparison with the inter-city killings every year that are about half of all murders in America.
You apparently have no idea what this chart is about, despite the fact that it says it is an analysis on age, not a comparison of quantity of murders in cities to suburbs. Also, bullshit. btw, namecalling is also a whitewash that offers no solution to the problem.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
Yes - it is a Conservative estimate. Check it out.70% is a conservative estimates. But what is the true value? I realise that you prefer to make shit up, but perhaps you could make an exception this time?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I poked around the Internet a bit for some AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) information. I only provide one link, but I was able to confirm the information at other websites. The black population figure isn't from the same year as the AFDC percent figure, but the difference isn't enough to matter.
AbE: The bottom line figure of 3.9% of blacks receiving AFDC aid is so different from Kof2hu's that I wonder if his percentage isn't for food stamps, which is a different program from AFDC. His figure would still be wrong, of course. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Use correct figure for black population.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you sure about the number of black Americans? Should it be closer to 40 million?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3820 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
But what is the true value? I realise that you prefer to make shit up, but perhaps you could make an exception this time?
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Hi Kofh2u,
Your claim from Message 780 was this:
kofh2u in Message 780 writes: We might then note that 70% of the Black Community is on Welfare... The chart you just posted in rebuttal doesn't address this claim:
It looks like you trolled the Internet for a chart with a figure around 70% that was about black Americans. I think we all agree that statistics about black Americans exist whose value is approximately 70%, but you're being asked to support your claim that 70% of the black community is on welfare. The actual figure is 3.9%. Concerning the food stamp program, approximately 25% of blacks receive food stamp benefits. --Percy
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3820 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
We might then note that 70% of the Black Community is on Welfare...
I am not certain that it makes it any less true that "We might then note that 70% of the Black Families are on Welfare"... But the point I make is that inner city Blacks kill half of all peoploe murdered in the USA when the whole Black community represents only @10% of the population. Furthermore, 70% of all killers have been raised in fatherless broken families, and 67% of the Black inner city families at least, if not most all, are dependent children of mothers on Welfare.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
kofh2u writes:
We might then note that 70% of the Black Community is on Welfare...
I am not certain that it makes it any less true that "We might then note that 70% of the Black Families are on Welfare"... Lord only knows what you're trying to say. Suffice to say that you've provided no support for your claim that 70% of the black community is on welfare.
But the point I make is that inner city Blacks kill half of all people murdered in the USA when the whole Black community represents only 10% of the population. You're not completely wrong. Blacks (that's all blacks, not just inner city blacks) comprise almost half of all arrests for homicide.
Furthermore, 70% of all killers have been raised in fatherless broken families,... Since at least 50% of children experience the divorce of their parents before they turn 18, your 70% figure doesn't seem unreasonable. In fact, what makes me question it is that it came from you. Do you have a source for this figure?
...and 67% of the Black inner city families at least, if not most all, are dependent children of mothers on Welfare. So now your claim is that 70% of inner city blacks are on AFDC. Any support for this claim? Regardless of the statistical details of black homicide rates, take away the guns and the homicide rate will decline. --Percy
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3820 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
...and 67% of the Black inner city families at least, if not most all, are dependent children of mothers on Welfare. So now your claim is that 70% of inner city blacks are on AFDC. Any support for this claim?
... families... Black FAMILIES... Black FAMILIES, where these fatherless kids under age 22 are raised,... those kids who shoot people with illegal guns....
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
You'd have a (slightly) easier time of it here if you at least published the source of the dross you post.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3820 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
You'd have a (slightly) easier time of it here if you at least published the source of the dross you post.
What is it I have not sourced??? My experience with Liberal progressive people educated in the humanities is that their mind is made up and their ego will defend that position in the face of facts and sources because they believe that nothing is so, so clear that their fogging of the issues can not confuse other readers. They will attack the messenger.They will attack the sources. They will facts with feeling they will generate concerning individual cases. They will attack the motivations of the other side. They will attack with accusations of racism, misogyny, and evil. They will also refuse to admit they were wrong, and gang together in a "democratic" ridicule full of anger and hatred for the person if the truth seems to be on his side. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Tangle writes: You'd have a (slightly) easier time of it here if you at least published the source of the dross you post. You can note that in each case, the statistics he posts fall short of supporting the outrageous claims he makes for them. K's posts don't address anything related to Sandy Hook or Columbine or Aurora. He says quite little about guns at all. He's telling you that those events don't matter to him. What does matter, as always with kofh2u, is that he has an agenda that he wants to pursue. At the same time k is posting his spew here, he is also pressing that same agenda in the 'Is God Good' thread. Crashfrog expressed doubts about the wisdom of replying to kofh2u, although he chose to do so anyway. No problem with that. I've made and implemented my own decision about this fellow. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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kofh2u writes:
...and 67% of the Black inner city families at least, if not most all, are dependent children of mothers on Welfare. So now your claim is that 70% of inner city blacks are on AFDC. Any support for this claim?
... families... Black FAMILIES... Black FAMILIES, where these fatherless kids under age 22 are raised,... those kids who shoot people with illegal guns.... Okay, black FAMILIES. So, to repeat the question with your correction, any support for the claim that 67% of fatherless black families in inner cities are on AFDC? By the way, once again you're citing 20-year old data with that image (that you inexplicably included since it has nothing to do with your black families on welfare claim). As I told you twice before, 1992 was a peek for youth crime - it's been declining ever since. And take away their guns and the youth homicide rate will plummet further. --Percy
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