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kofh2u
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Message 595 of 722 (684996)
12-19-2012 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by hooah212002
12-18-2012 7:59 PM


rule of war??? or not?
After you raped the shit out of her, kick her ass to the curb, thus rendering her useless because the barbarians of the time only want virgins.
You, jaywill, are a sick fuck if you think what you just quoted is an example of mercy. This is just more proof that the god you pander is evil.
So what have conquerors done with the women, traditionally, after decimating the enemy destroying every local economy, killing off all the young potential husbands and breadwinners??
Or better yet, what rules would you come up with that make better instructions to these armies if you believe in rules of war?
Chocolate bars for sex, and poverty for the half bred kids that follow?
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kofh2u
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Message 622 of 722 (685401)
12-22-2012 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 619 by ringo
12-22-2012 10:45 AM


Re: No healing Just Grace
It's true that I don't consider, "I could kill you but I won't," a treasure. I would consider your god just leaving me alone a treasure.
In what way does God annoy people except in promoting sexual prudence against the culture that bothers everyone to notice nakedness and a focus on sexual promiscuity?
That Christians push back against this destructive force that destroys the Family and eventually the nation seems no more aggressive or unfair than the purveyors of pornography in advertising and the media in general everywhere.

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kofh2u
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Message 623 of 722 (685403)
12-22-2012 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 616 by jaywill
12-22-2012 8:41 AM


Re: No healing Just Grace
Do you have something better than the grace of God ?
The grace of our god is that man has the ability to image Truth and hence cope with the facts-of-life.
Who can argue with that?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth, the way, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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kofh2u
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Message 627 of 722 (685437)
12-22-2012 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by NoNukes
12-21-2012 3:44 PM


Re: rule of war??? or not?
The problem is not so much that the Jews did these things way back when. The problem is with their claims that God told them to do all of those things.
1.33 Billion muslims still hear God saying pretty muchthe same thing, don't they?
God de facto created men who KNOW that the sexually promiscuous liberal progressive feminist attitude is destructive to the family.
The message is that this behavior will lead to extinction because man, the social anomal he is, is not adapting to the nature he must in order to avoid extinction.

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kofh2u
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Message 632 of 722 (685524)
12-23-2012 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 628 by NoNukes
12-22-2012 10:08 PM


Re: rule of war??? or not?
kofh2u:
1.33 Billion muslims still hear God saying pretty muchthe same thing, don't they?
NoNuke:
No, I don't believe God said that stuff to anyone.
Point?
Their belief is that God does tell them, 1.33 billion patriarchs, that.
The Hebrew patriarchs wrote down what they say god told them to do.
I would argue that god made patriarchs, and they were made to do stuff like this by that god.
I believe that these patriarchs reason their god would want to kill seven promiscuous girls every year rather than kill the 1.2 million unborn babies the gentiles in the West abort.
It even seems rrasonable that God would perfer the death of the seven to the 1.2 million.
It even seems reasonable that god woud want these men to stop those men from kiling the First born.

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kofh2u
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Message 636 of 722 (685543)
12-23-2012 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by NoNukes
12-23-2012 10:47 AM


Re: Not accepting your shift...
I understand that the rules were an improvement over what others were doing, but you want to go beyond that and to claim that they represent some high moral code because they are written as a first person account of God speaking. Well perhaps the rules aren't moral from any reasonable modern view.
TheBible eem to be descru=ibing the sociology of the pre-32AD world, doesn't it?
It isn't that the code was high and moral.
It just is the code that patriarchs recognize as normal behavior for patriarchs.
Compare what the bible says about the other societies surrounding these Hebrew patriarchs that emerged from Egypt.
They also have codes of behavior.
They are sexually promiscuous and fornicating.
They believe that a whole pantheon of god's condone various types of behavior as proper and suitable.
The God of the Bible doe seem to favor the former over the latter.
This is merely descriptive information about these two different perspectives which are still with us today.
The Bible seems to end with the New Testament which supports an alternative third type of social behavior which is not sexually promiscuous like the gentiles of the OT, nor is it the harsh male dominance over the women held to a sexual prudence that hides them away from life itself.
These same three kinds of male/female behaviors are apparent today are they not?

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kofh2u
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Message 637 of 722 (685544)
12-23-2012 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 3:33 PM


I never said that Hitler was a good Christian. But neither was he a Darwinian:
But you do agree he was a Progressive socialist democrat who believed in the idea that social engineering can mould a better world, i.e. Social Darwinism however subtle??

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kofh2u
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Message 639 of 722 (685565)
12-23-2012 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 638 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 6:12 PM


Hitler was a Socialist Democrat
But you do agree he was a Progressive socialist democrat who believed in the idea that social engineering can mould a better world, i.e. Social Darwinism however subtle??
No, because I don't drool out ridiculous lies and nonsense.
You are definitely out ranking me with the sheer force of your ridicule.
But I humbly inform you that Hitler was a member of the Democratic Socialist Party very much supported and financed by the Unions just lije our Progressive social engineers here.
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (helpinfo), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany between 1920 and 1945.
"Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities,"...
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kofh2u
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Message 650 of 722 (685655)
12-24-2012 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by NoNukes
12-24-2012 3:29 PM


Re: Not accepting your shift...
I note that the same comment suggests that these women were to be 'secondary wives'.
The scriptures are just being descriptive of what as the case about man, if we assume that the behavior of the Hebrew patriarchs indicates what God told them was proper for patriarchs, since "he who made the tiger and the lamb also made them, especially as compared to the Gentiles.
If we expect that God wanted the patriarchs, then, or even in Islam today, to treat women with the freedom we see so out of hand in the sexually promiscuous Gentile culture of the West today, then I think not.
I think God DID tell the Hebrew patriarchs that "taking of women as spoils of war and marrying them" was better treatment then women expected or received in wars back then or even today.
In general, patriarchs, then or now are rather authoritative in regard to dealing with women, and do see them as property requiring both supervision and protection.
We need check what the unregulated and unspecified actions were common among the victors on the Gentile side.
What did god put in their heads when they we created?

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kofh2u
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Message 653 of 722 (685666)
12-24-2012 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by Stile
12-24-2012 1:23 PM


Re: War is avoidable
Defending how the spoils of war are treated in order to show how God is good is like defending how eggshells are disposed of in order to show how nice the omelette tastes.
"Wars happen" is not a defence for a benevolent, powerful God.
If God restrains himself from preventing war... then He's not good.
If God isn't powerful enough to prevent war... then He's not God.
I agree and add that the information we read in the OT is not telling us whether god is good or bad, but simply how the creature he created, man, behaves... which is that he behaves as god made him to so behave.
God made the tiger and the lamb, but it is the tiger who eats the lamb.
The point that is important is that God also made the Gentiles.
These gentiles THINK differently than the Hebrew patriarchs or the present Chinese or Muslim patriarchs.
That is ALL we can infer from what we are reading until we compare these two types of men who god made and who think differently.
We can also face the fact that patriarchs DID hear god telling them to kill the sexually promiscuous Gentiles and the muslims ARE sharpening their knives right now, along with China and N. Korea for that matter.
While Jay confuses this straight forward observation with a lot of nonsense about God, (which is unsupportable), others here ridicule this portrayal according to Jay as manufactured and illogical.
Which it is, but they attribute his argument to sources in the bible, which they are not.
PS
I believe god DOES tell patriarchs to kill weak, rich, self destructive welfare state Gentiles before the pornography and sexual immorality infects them and their women, destroying them too.
God does this because the Family is the building Block for civilization which is our only hope to cope with possible extinction of our species.
I believe His natural law that we adapt to the environment requires that our species build stable families to raise the next generations.
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kofh2u
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Message 657 of 722 (685734)
12-26-2012 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 654 by jaywill
12-24-2012 7:55 PM


Charity is the lov of neighbor
if your brother becomes poor and he is unable to support himself
The gentile who chooses the path of an evil sexually promiscuous life style over the alternative opportunity to be sexually prudent is sur to become poor and unable to support himself/herself in great enough numbers to eventually see that he/she is not a brother to the patriarch.
What he/she will see is destruction coming in every fashion and no helping hand will be able to save his nation of people.
It is NOT charity to enable people to hurt themselves, abort the unborn, pave the way to poverty, and increase the criminal element within their own city walls.
Is it??????

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kofh2u
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Message 658 of 722 (685735)
12-26-2012 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by Theodoric
12-17-2012 4:22 PM


Re: But that is NOT Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Where?
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
Racism is different than the scientific concept of the races.
Racism is a colloquial term which the Left has tried to eliminate as a Politically Incorrect term, but which is different from the scientific terminology that now genetically defines the seven present races of Modern Homo sapiens as those which were once sourced in the three Racial Stocks that evolved @ 150,000 years.
"Edwards saw the argument against such identities as being based mostly in a political stance that denies the existence biological difference in order to argue for social equality. [4]
Richard Dawkins (2005) agreed with Edwards' view, summarizing the argument against Lewontin as being, "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are, highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."[27]
"In 1972 Richard Lewontin performed a FST statistical analysis using 17 markers including blood group proteins. His results were the majority of genetic differences between humans
6.3% was found to differentiate races which in the study were Caucasian, African, Mongoloid, South Asian Aborigines, Amerinds, Oceanians, and Australian Aborigines."
Those Three Racial Stocks, which differentiated into the seven races we can identify genetically today, have also been shown, recently, to have one unique and common father who lived 100,000 years before the 40,000 year long "Flood" out-of-Africa when mankind spread over all the earth under the heavens, even to the heights of the mountains.
The article in US News, "Darwin, new insights into how evolution happens" reported this genetic connection between all men living today and this inferred "Noah" who father what has become "us."

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kofh2u
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Message 660 of 722 (685748)
12-26-2012 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 659 by jaywill
12-26-2012 11:14 AM


Re: Charity is the lov of neighbor
Leviticus 25:25 is rather simple.
Really???
If it is so simple that it means responible married people (who have 1.5 million legitimate babies every year) are to hand over money to other socially irresponsible people (who have "needs," SIMPLY because they give birth to 1.5 million illegitimate babies every year while aborting another 1.2 million unbron babies), then Levicus would seem to support contributing to a "church" of people far removed from Judaism and its doctrines.

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kofh2u
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Message 662 of 722 (685777)
12-26-2012 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 661 by jaywill
12-26-2012 6:06 PM


Re: Charity is the lov of neighbor
Do you think Jehovah God needed to sit down with Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and get a little more education about the way the world works ?
You are trying too hard to figure out WHY I say the things that I say rather than focus on what I actually say.
This medium of communication is not appropriate to telling you why I say these things.
The Bible is a book about the psychology of the individual which predictably explains the Sociology we record as histroy long after the sad consequences have taken there toll.
It reveals the Truth which is the messiah who could save us if we would accept the Truth, and back down from our stubborn and erroneous positions on issues that need be resolved.
In this case, it is clear that helping our neighbor means "in the long run."
It does NOT mean that we are to enable whole systems to be set up, like Welfare, on the pretext of helping people, then observe 60 years of the evil ends we wrought, then try to scotch tape the corrupt system to save face.
Do you believe that helping young girls in trouble by legalizing abortion has helped young girls over the long haul?
Does paying Single Mothers other peple's money so they can care for their illegitimate babies helped the fatherless kids they now raise by the millions, and in geeration after generation?

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kofh2u
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Message 685 of 722 (685976)
12-28-2012 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 683 by Larni
12-28-2012 11:11 AM


Re: Charity is the lov of neighbor
KOFH2u
The Bible is a book about the psychology of the individual which predictably explains the Sociology we record as histroy long after the sad consequences have taken there toll.
Larni
1) How strange? All my years at various universities studying psychology and never once did I see the bible on the reading lists.
I suppose you can guess why this is.
2) Has any one agreed with you on this site?
1) I think most people would have to agree that the Bible is concerned with the subject of Human Behavior.
The Bible is even authoriative about specifying the recommended behaviors.
The Science of Human Behavior is considered the oldest of the Sciences.
And, as the editors of the Enclycopedia of Human Behavior explicitly state in the Preface, it is also the Science which has made the least progress.
Psychology fails to have established much more on the subject than a varuety of ideas and hypothesis about Human Behavior, most all of which have fallen out of favor with the demise of their originator.
I believe billions of people agree with the observations made in the Bible which correspond one-to-one with those made since Freud and Carl Jung.
But the two camps (religion and psychology) have so far failed to cooperate in noticing their identical observations over the centuries:
1) Id = Lucifer
2) Libido = Satan
3) Ego = Mammon
4) Anima = Devil
5) Self = Beelzebub
6) Superego = False Prophet
7) Harmony = False shepherd
8) Conscience = Good Shepherd

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