I would argue that since Instincts are formed from previous life experiences
The defies most definitions of what instincts are. Many inherited instincts are observed and pretty constant from culture.
things that took place in previous generations, after the people had been born, and because they found responses to certain experience were effective.
It's more likely that in the pre-modern world people without such instincts died. For instance there are a number of social instincts and reactions that have proven beneficial for a complex social species, people without such traits may become outcasts or less liked within the population meaning they were less likely to reproduce. These social instincts are such a part of human behavior that we say that people without them have a disability. One example I believe is Asperger's syndrome and varying forms of it.
Since these experiences were decision based, i.e., a choice in response made to circumstances like snakes and spiders, say, the instinct is a mental construct that appears in our mind."
They are not. The decision comes from breaking the "normal" behavior.
We KNOW something intuitively and instinctively which comes down to us and DIRECTS us from an ancient resouvier in our Unconscious mind.
We are directed yes.... but by behaviors often needed to be part of a population. Those that didn't have them in the past died or were less likely to reproduce.
you answered your own criticism in that "inherited instincts" means they are traits which are sourced in our genes.
Is it common for you to take a single section of a post and ignore the rest? I will cease talking with you if you do this again, please don't assume you "won" if I do this.
I explained were such ingrained traits come from and I did not include" intelligent programming"(which seems to be what you're saying) at all.
I said the following
quote:DC85 said: It's more likely that in the pre-modern world people without such instincts died. For instance there are a number of social instincts and reactions that have proven beneficial for a complex social species, people without such traits may become outcasts or less liked within the population meaning they were less likely to reproduce. These social instincts are such a part of human behavior that we say that people without them have a disability. One example I believe is Asperger's syndrome and varying forms of it.
Again, you just described evolution that has been directed by traits in us that aid in our survival. These traits are now instinctual reactions inherent in us from birth but learned from those experiences which eliminated other people as we survived and evolved beyond their extinctions.
You are FALSELY claiming that I said the humans have always had these traits when I am actually saying that they evolved through the course of human evolution because the more "social butterfly" you are the better your chance of survival.
"would say that instinctual behavior is not a learned behavior, nor a rational behavior (ie - based on rational thought processes resulting in a conclusion), but one that occurs at a subconscious level. Breathing (when not under conscious control) would be instinctual."
Indeed, and large portions of how humans do around other humans are subconscious or seem to be to many studies.
Anti-social and\or a-social behavior, a lack of empathy with others -- not necessarily restricted to asperger's or even to other forms of autism.
Of course it isn't, I however used it as an quick example and I believe the most well known and studied.
Re: Directed Evolution -- not testable philosophic hypothesis
all judgments and perceptions reflect the workings of our mind on two levels: the conscious, of which we are aware, and the unconscious, which is hidden from us.
Except for the fact it's far more complex then conscious and unconscious. We have behaviors that are normal and observed throughout the majority of people that can be shown to be the result of reactions in the brain. None of them are "Hidden from us."
Then we have unconscious behaviors that started as conscious behavior that through the course of our minds "reward system" become "habits" these literally carve out new pathways in the brain. We do not observe this same pathway reaction with instinct behavior meaning learned behavior cannot be inherited.
I also would like to recommend a book called "The Power of Habit" by Charles Duhigg. It likely the easiest way I've seen it explained