Redstang wrote:
I would just like Athiest to seriously think about the theories that scientist conjure up to deny the existance of God.
Please realize that science does NOT develop theories in order to deny the existence of God. Science does not address the supernatural at all.
What you have been engaging in, largely is a philosophical and logical debate, not a scientific one.
Redstang wrote:
Just ask yourself how it can be possible for something to just exist and further things to spring up from it. It's not. So therefor whatever it was that started everything had to be considered impossible by science.
This is not an accurate portrayal of how science treats the supernatural.
It is simply not useful in science to say "Godidit". It doesn't explain anything. So, we say "We don't know".
Redstang wrote:
God is the only thing can just exist.
That is a statement of faith, and faith alone. You have no positive evidence for the existence of a supernatural, omnipotent deity, so you believe on faith. That is perfectly fine, of course, but please realize that it is a leap of faith that you make, that others whom have likely contemplated the same issues you have, do not have to make.
Redstang wrote:
I don't care what kind of singular big bang theory they can up with there always has to be something that put it there.
Why does there "always" have to be something that put it there? There is no evidence to suggest that "something put the universe in place, so it is more accurate to say we don't know what put the universe in place, and we may never know. Faith is what some people hold in order to get past the "I don't know".
Also, if you say that there *had* to be something that created the universe, then the next logical statement is, "the creator *had* to likewise have a creator." And so on, and so on.
Redstang wrote:
If you deny everything I am claiming you really have to ask yourself why you deny it.
It's not a matter of denial of your claims. It is a matter of your lack of evidence to support your claims.
You are asking for a leap of pure faith, not based upon any evidence. Most people have some kind of faith, others say "I don't know" and leave it at that, and still others say "I
do not believe".
Redstang wrote:
Do you deny it because you think it's wrong, or because you just don't want to accept it.
Why should anyone "accept" your version of faith? Because you say so?
Redstang wrote:
Because he who creates the world has the right to create the rules.
This is just another statement of faith.
Redstang wrote:
Human nature doesn't like to follow rules.
I strongly disagree. Humans are all about rules. Wars and oppression largely happen because one group wants other groups to follow the same religious, ethical, or societal rules as they themselves do.
One of the reasons humans have come to dominate the planet is because we have been selectd to be able to work in groups, and follow community rules, to achieve group objectives.
Allison
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"Never trust something that thinks for itself if you can't see where it keeps it's brain"--Mr. Weasley
[This message has been edited by Percipient, 12-12-2001]