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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
xong writes:
You have stretched the analogy too far. When you vote you can only go to one place to vote and they have the list.Try viewing it as "You are allowed to go one place to buy a gun: America." xong writes:
No - you show your "document showing gun-ownership eligibility".
You go to a gun show anywhere in the country and they are expected to have your name on a list at each show xong writes:
I would prefer a more neutral body.
How about let's just make it your NRA membership card? xong writes:
Do America driving licences not have photos? But there's still the nagging issue of a picture ID advantage.Are Americans concerned about cameras taking their souls? I would mention passport photos...but passports aren't relevant to most Americans. xong writes:
I agree.
Without a picture any criminal could get a card from someone - say when they are also relieving them of their credit card & other stuff - just pocket the NRA card. xong writes:
He he They could even call it your Firing PIN."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
From a quick think: machine guns made pre-1986. How many other products do you have to 'register to buy'?But I can look further, if one example is not enough. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Jon writes:
Enjoy your Armageddon. LMAO. If it were even in the same ballpark of closeness.... Don't you see? The NRA's image needs cleaning up. This is just for Gun Shows. They get to be in charge! They get more money (because the membership card will cost a wee bit more). They finally get to earn some respect across the aisle. And the transactions could be kept in their database to crosscheck when some nutjob goes haywire. They don't want any nutjobs either. They already promote gun safety and responsibility as much as they can. Here's another way they can help. The right-wingers who cling to their NRA membership would be on board with this - this is the NRA afterall, not some Nazi-Communist Black Man government edict they didn't have a chance to vote out. Put the NRA in charge of policing the Gun Shows this way. Criminals can't walk in & out so easy now.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Panda opines:
xong writes:
I would prefer a more neutral body. How about let's just make it your NRA membership card? The NRA card presents the most politically possible solution. Your speculation that there is a more neutral organization that would be acceptable for the very ones that we need to reach is probably Very Wrong. We need to save people, whenever possible. In order to keep it, you have to give it away. Let them have the power to control and police the gun sales at gun shows. Put it on their head. Give them the Responsibility they so admire. Remember when you're out there, trying to heal the sick, that you must always first forgive them. Vilifying them is like trying to blow the coat off the man with the harsh Wind instead of getting him to take it off with the warm Sun.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You cannot require a license for a Right. A Right is inalienable. For example, recall the whole issue of Voter ID. You do not need a license to vote in this country. Never have, never will. Never have? You are unaware of or have forgotten some of the history of this country. At one time registering to vote in many states required one or more of paying fees, submitting vouchers of good character, and passing literacy tests. It is only because those practices were implemented in abusive and exclusionary ways by the states that such practices were ended. But there is no per se constitutional provision against licensing provisions that are not discriminatory. Most of the provisions against "voter licensing" are statutory ones like the VRA. ABE: What about the not having a vagina test for voting that lasted through the early twentieth century? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : Added by edit.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Jon Inactive Member |
Jon writes:
From a quick think: machine guns made pre-1986. How many other products do you have to 'register to buy'?But I can look further, if one example is not enough. Aside from guns, obviously. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi all,
Have any of you ever been to a gun show and tried to buy a gun of any kind? I live in the state of Florida and have gone to many gun shows. There are no assualt guns sold at gun shows. What is an assault rifle?
quote:Source There are specific things that must take place before you can purchase a gun from a licensed gun dealer. You will find no displays at a gun show by anyone other than a licensed gun dealer.
quote:Source You can find a copy of the ATF form 4473 that must be filled out before a licensed dealer can transfer a gun to your posession. If you read the form you will notice that you have to have a picture id and a background check preformed before the dealer can transfer a gun to your posession. You can find the form Here So if you guys want to talk about gun control it would be best if you find out what is already required so you can speak from knowledge rather than ignorance. God Bless, Edited by ICANT, : No reason given."John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi No,
NoNukes writes: What about the not having a vagina test for voting that lasted through the early twentieth century? When did the first woman run for president of the United States? In the 19th century, Victoria Claflin Woodhull was the first woman to run for president in 1872. So what is the point in relation to purchasing a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer? There are laws that must be followed to purchace and receive a gun from a licensed dealer. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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How many other products do you have to 'register to buy'? Certainly there are some. How about eagle feathers and other eagle parts. Dynamite and some other explosives. Some chemicals can be obtained legally with a DEA license. Buying refrigerant requires a license from the EPA. Lots of things require licenses to sell or to export. Other things require licenses to use. I have to be licensed to practice law. Where is this going, anyway?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Hi Percy,
I just wanted to pop back in and let you know that I won't participate at EvC any further under these terms. I'll participate under the same rules as other participants - including the ability to refer to other participants directly or indirectly, provided those references aren't personal attacks, and the ability to object to behavior which is objectionable - or I won't participate at all.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
Why is an example of certain guns needing you to register to buy not a good enough example of an existing product that you need to register to buy? Aside from guns, obviously. It seems like a perfect example to address your statement:"But purchasing things...? If the thing I'm selling isn't illegal to own, should the government have any input in my selling it to my friend or not?" Owning machine guns made pre-1986 is not illegal - you simply need to register with the government first."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
NoNukes says:
At one time registering to vote in many states required one or more of paying fees, submitting vouchers of good character, and passing literacy tests. It is only because those practices were implemented in abusive and exclusionary ways by the states that such practices were ended. But there is no per se constitutional provision against licensing provisions that are not discriminatory. Most of the provisions against "voter licensing" are statutory ones like the VRA. ABE: What about the not having a vagina test for voting that lasted through the early twentieth century? Yeah. And, see - all that shit was thrown out. This country has grown up some. I was channeling Chuck Yeager in his car part commercial...- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes:
And does what you describe apply to the other 49 states or just Florida? I live in the state of Florida and have gone to many gun shows. Because, although I see often gun advocates arguing that the gun show loop hole is not a problem - I never see them saying it doesn't exist."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Welcome back, dude.
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Jon Inactive Member |
Thank you for a real response.
Love your enemies!
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