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Message 286 of 722 (683281)
12-09-2012 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by crashfrog
12-09-2012 11:45 AM


God is make believe.(so why cant He make ME believe?)
The bridges are intact and I've been other them and back. There's just nothing at the other side; God is make-believe.
OK, I'll agree that you are not unable to receive the truth. In fact, you dare God to convince you because
  • You see no way that anything you were ever taught is true(concerning Christianity)
  • Secretly you would love for God to exist yet He has not said or done anything for you that you can see...thus....no God.
  • 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 talks about those who believe the lie because they have not a love of the truth. Faith is convinced that Jesus is the truth, as am I. You, on the other hand, are a lover of truth....except to you, truth is knowledge.
    Some of us believe only things we can see, touch, taste, or understand. Others cling to hope in faith, the evidence of things unseen. I did not mean to insult you, by the way.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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    Phat
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    Message 336 of 722 (683384)
    12-10-2012 4:57 AM
    Reply to: Message 292 by Faith
    12-09-2012 4:51 PM


    Re: God is make believe
    I do believe that Christ died for my and everyone else s sins. As far as calling God a "she" do you think that hurts God any?

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    Phat
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    Message 351 of 722 (683435)
    12-10-2012 3:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 340 by Tangle
    12-10-2012 6:04 AM


    Causes of death and opportunities for relationship
    Can you please explain to me in simple terms how a new born baby can refuse to be saved and why killing just one of them in the flood would not be an evil act?
    People die. The Bible says that God killed them directly, but they may have died in acts of nature or circumstances of natural origin. Newborn babies are not accountable to anyone...if they die they die. Adults are another matter spiritually. Fact is, however, we all die.

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    Phat
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    Message 694 of 722 (686126)
    12-29-2012 10:19 AM
    Reply to: Message 303 by jar
    12-09-2012 8:02 PM


    Christianity according to Phat
    As a Protestant Christian though I need to point out that that belief simply cheapens Jesus Christ and Christianity and turns it into a really selfish "What's in it for me" con job.
    I disagree. My belief is that Jesus Christ was in the beginning with His Father. He was before He was born and He IS after he died.
    I fail to see how this doctrine cheapens Christianity in any way.
    Perhaps you have read this:
    Nicene Creed writes:
    I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
    And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
    Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
    And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
    In my belief, God is good and good alone. To call God both good and evil turns Him into a pantheistic oneness, rather than a monotheistic absolute. God created good and evil, to be sure, but it was a necessary foreknown to allow for free will.
    If you had a kid, for instance, and commanded him to stay inside and not to venture outside, he could not disobey you if there was no outside. He would by default have to stay inside. (in communion) Lucifer, according to some tradition, was originally an angel in communion with God and the rest of them. Only by choosing to rebel did Lucifer get cast out(hence the need for an outside). By the same token, humans are aware of good and evil and are responsible to choose whether to do evil(go outside) or choose good.(remain in communion)
    One analogy that I like to use regarding a Trinitarian concept involves the Sun(analogous to God "in Heaven") the Light(Jesus Christ, the light of the world)and the heat or warmth(of the Holy Spirit). Jews know or believe there is a sun in the sky. They feel the warmth. They cannot, however see the light.
    John 9:39--Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
    For whatever reason, so the dogma goes, the Jews were blinded to the reality of a Messiah. I believe that God is good, however, and the good guys win in the end.

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    Phat
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    Message 710 of 722 (687097)
    01-07-2013 3:15 PM
    Reply to: Message 709 by Stile
    01-07-2013 1:59 PM


    Re: Unnecessary squared circles
    stile writes:
    Is it because God is not benevolent enough?
    Or is it because God is not powerful enough?
    God is benevolent enough to even have allowed Lucifer the choice to become satan and actualize potential evil. He is also powerful enough to allow it to exist only long enough to teach us a lesson as we freely choose His Spirit over our own. Hey, even satan may one day get another chance...who knows?

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    Phat
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    Message 716 of 722 (687211)
    01-08-2013 1:40 PM
    Reply to: Message 715 by Stile
    01-08-2013 12:24 PM


    Re: Benevolent is the opposite of Evil
    Let me try and put my belief another way.
    God initially created Angels. They were in communion with God...as a matter of fact, there was no "outside"...there was only inside.
    God created good and evil only in the sense that He created potential evil...or a potential "outside" of communion.
    Lucifer was given free will and chose to be outside of communion. Thus, potential evil became actualized evil (evil=outside communion)
    and from an outsiders perspective we now had dualism...though in reality it was still One Holy Spirit and an "outside" composed of imitators.
    Humans came along and were foreknown to choose the knowledge of good and evil. This is essentially the knowledge of inside (in Communion) and outside..(outside communion).
    This is where we sit today. We have a choice to re-establish communion through Jesus Christ or we have the choice to remain freely outside of it all.
    I dont expect you to necessarily agree with my belief, but can you at least understand the concept as I present it?

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