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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Isn't this pretty much the action called for by the NRA after Sandy Hook? I honestly don't know. I don't pay attention to the NRA.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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CS writes: If the individual is unable to help, then they can just leave their gun holstered. Unless they are trained or experienced in such situations on what basis do they make that judgement call?
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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CS responds:
Concealed-carry training in no way includes crisis training. I don't think it needs to. The polite way I have to reply to that is that you, in my opinion, are WAY WRONG. As a courtesy to you and everyone else here, I'm leaving out about 46 F words.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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CS writes:
Unless they are trained or experienced in such situations on what basis do they make that judgement call? If the individual is unable to help, then they can just leave their gun holstered. That's going to vary from situation to situation. I'd say: when in doubt, don't pull it out.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion, but I would have preferred some reasoning for why I'm wrong.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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The video shows why you're wrong. Have a look at it when you get home.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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The video shows why you're wrong. Have a look at it when you get home. Well I skimmed it. It showed some people failing to adequately use their gun in a crisis situation, and explained why it was difficult for them to use it. That doesn't show that concealed-carry training needs to include crisis training. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean that you have to use it. But preventing people from having guns means that they can never use it. If your in a situation where you're worse off drawing your gun, then don't draw your gun. Without denying that there is any situation where a gun would help, I don't see how the fact that they're not useful in some situations shows why I'm wrong.
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
Hi CS,
Hmmmm, crisis training, I don't know. Criminals seem to do OK without it. Don't you think? BTW Wyoming is a complete open carry state but last year they passed a law so now as a resident I can concealed carry and don't need any kind of permit. Out of state people do or I do if I go to another state.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Given that's it's extremely unlikely that you would ever find yourself in a situation where having a gun could conceivably be necessary and that if it ever did happen, it would be either ineffectual or actually make you a target, why take the additional risk and inconvenience?
Could it be that you just like guns and the feeling they give you?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Catholic Scientist writes: If your in a situation where you're worse off drawing your gun, then don't draw your gun. The point people are trying to make is that without the proper training and periodic refresher courses one won't be competent at making decisions about whether one might be better or worse off drawing one's gun. One would be more likely to panic and do something foolish that would make things worse. A safer approach might be to not carry or even own a gun unless one has received the training for crisis situations, takes the periodic refresher courses, and visits a shooting range on a regular basis. Most gun use that results in deaths does not happen during the commission of a crime. Most people are murdered by someone they already know who is not trying to rob them but is upset or drunk or on drugs or crazy or some combination. When you're confronted by someone in this condition then death isn't a likely outcome if there's no gun . But if there's a gun it's a much different story. --Percy
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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The point people are trying to make is that without the proper training and periodic refresher courses one won't be competent at making decisions about whether one might be better or worse off drawing one's gun. Then don't draw it. Reserve that for when you do know that it is going to help. In fact, one of the lessons in concealed-carry courses is: if you can run then do run.
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Could it be that you just like guns and the feeling they give you?
I do like guns. And I do enjoy feeling the sense of accomplishment I get from improving my accuracy or getting a new high score or beating my brother in a match.
Given that's it's extremely unlikely that you would ever find yourself in a situation where having a gun could conceivably be necessary and that if it ever did happen, it would be either ineffectual or actually make you a target... Show me your data.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Hmmmm, crisis training, I don't know. Criminals seem to do OK without it. Don't you think? Yeah, but they're not trying to not hurt people.
BTW Wyoming is a complete open carry state but last year they passed a law so now as a resident I can concealed carry and don't need any kind of permit. Out of state people do or I do if I go to another state. And how does your crime rate look?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
CS writes: Show me your data. Tell us your experience carrying a gun, how often have you caried it and how often have you had cause to use it? Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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