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Author Topic:   Where Did The (Great Flood) Water Come From And Where Did It Go?
Dr Adequate
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Message 285 of 432 (687806)
01-16-2013 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by mindspawn
01-16-2013 4:45 PM


There is a lot of water vapor in our atmosphere, limited in extent by the tropopause, but this tropopause can vary in height according to temperatures. Colder temperatures mean higher tropopause and more water vapor in the air. A sudden increase in atmospheric temperature, as occurred during the volcanic Siberian Traps, would lower the tropopause releasing huge amounts of precipitation from the atmosphere. The seeding and air circulation caused by the volcanic activity would have contributed towards excessive rainfalls.
Thus the source of water for the flood was from the continental changes during the PT boundary, combined with precipitation from a lowered tropopause and volcanic activity, and also from the melting of the ice caps and melting of glaciation caused by the increased temperatures from the Siberian traps.
Show your working.
The flood water most likely receded when water flowed into the great chasm when Pangea first split.
Moving continental crust about does not reduce its volume. The rifting of Panagea would indeed have created an chasm into which water could flow, but it would also have made the Panthalassic Ocean smaller by a corresponding amount. It would also have created a mid-ocean ridge which would have raised sea levels, not lowered them.

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Message 287 of 432 (687837)
01-17-2013 5:02 AM
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01-17-2013 2:11 AM


1) The tropopause is temperature sensitive and it will drop in height at low temperatures
Tropopause - Wikipedia
" Since the tropopause responds to the average temperature of the entire layer that lies underneath it, it is at its peak levels over the Equator, and reaches minimum heights over the poles."
2) Water vapor is mainly limited beneath the tropopause
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_vapor
Approximately 99.13% of it is contained in the troposphere.
I said, show your working.
It didnt necessarily occur simultaneously. The chasm can be created in the midst of a landmass and then spread and widen BEFORE reaching oceans. Thus we have a reduction in the size of the Panthalassic ocean before the water reaches the chasm. This would add to the flooding effect because of the reduced size of the ocean during the creation of the dry chasm. The moment the chasm reaches the ocean, water would start pouring in, which is consistent with records of a marine regression during the PT boundary.
But after all this has happened, you have the same volume of water covering the same area as you did when you started.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 289 of 432 (687839)
01-17-2013 5:48 AM
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01-17-2013 5:26 AM


I haven't got exact working. I would assume the bulk of the water came from the melting ice caps and melting glaciation and from the reduced ocean size during the break up of Pangea, and NOT the water vapor, but the water vapor levels and seeding from volcanoes could explain the extensive rainfalls, even if the rainfalls were not the bulk of the water. If you feel this is impossible, show your workings, otherwise its a possibility.
No, no. You produce a hypothesis, then I'll look at it. Otherwise your answer to the question posed in the OP is that you don't know. In which case this would be a good time for you to stop posting on this thread.
But surely you cannot expect that I should form your hypothesis for you. If you want me to do your thinking for you, then here's my thinking: the flood described in Genesis didn't happen. You're welcome.
Exactly, assuming the depth of the new ocean floor is approximately the same as the depth of the ocean, which is highly likely. After the flood, waters then recede to approximately pre-flood levels.
So ... where does all the water go to?
As you explain it, it appears that we have the same amount of water before the flood and after the flood. So the extra water that caused the flood is ... where?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 291 of 432 (687845)
01-17-2013 6:35 AM
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01-17-2013 6:24 AM


To say it didn't happen, you would have to disprove all reasonable possibilities presented. I have presented a reasonable hypothesis ...
No you haven't. You haven't even presented a hypothesis, let alone a reasonable one.
That would be your job.
I admit that I too am unable to think of a hypothesis which would make Noah's Flood physically plausible, but then I don't go around pretending that it happened.
I'm not following you, why the need for "extra water".
For the Flood. Floods traditionally involve water.
They would have receded when the new oceans opened up ...
No they wouldn't, as I have explained.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 294 of 432 (687850)
01-17-2013 7:10 AM
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01-17-2013 6:50 AM


hmmmm ok, that's your view
And it is gratifying to see that you find it unanswerable.

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