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Are you saying that god is watching our political fights and if the second amendment is changed he will abandon us? When you have a clear idea, please let us know.

Just heard that there's another school shooting ongoing - can't find a link yet tho'

No. She is saying that the loss of her guns wound be such a cataclysmic, soul rending event that surely the loss is a sign that she's been abandoned by God. It's as if the book of Job had never been written.

I am proud that the response to an atrocity can be something else than adding more guns. I totally loath the hypocrisy of the NRA and after Newtown-response was not sure if they are sane at all.

You've been fed a heavy dose of propaganda. Where do you think you are getting your opinions? Where is all that gun-phobia coming from anyway? You might try to trace the source. It's THAT attitude that's totally insane. And you don't even suspect it's just propaganda do you?

BREAKING NEWS: Three Wounded in Texas School Shooting

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The following information comes from reports from CBS and CNN.

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(Updated at 3:06 p.m. ET)

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Someone — a fourth person — suffered a heart attack, according to a federal law enforcement source who is receiving reports from the scene, CNN's Carol Cratty reports.

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— Three people, including a gunman, were wounded in a shooting between two people on the North Harris campus of Lone Star College in Houston, school spokesman Jed Young said.
— The second gunman is on the loose but not believed to be on campus, Young said.
— A fourth person suffered a heart attack, according to the federal law enforcement source.
— The shooting happened at a campus library, the federal law enforcement source says.
— No deaths have been reported.

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Not just watching them but influencing them as well. Not quite. I'm saying that if it is LOST COMPLETELY it would be a sign that He already HAS abandoned the nation, because He's letting such an important institution be destroyed. If the states succeed in pushing back Obama's attempt to further weaken the second amendment I'll take that as a sign that God is being merciful to us.It's all about how far down the road to total rejection of God and His laws the nation has gone and if there's still any possibility of us turning back to Him as a nation and regaining His blessings. We've gone very far down that road and are already under judgment but obviously haven't yet reached total ruin. The loss of the second amendment, I mean total loss of it, I'd take as a herald that we're headed toward total ruin as a nation.Obama's inaugural speech lauding gay rights I'm sure most of you regard as a sign of national progress, but Christians regard it as a sign of our being yet further down the road to God's judgment because it represents an official national-level violation of God's law. You can read Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 if you want to get an idea of the methods by which God judges nations, blessing them with prosperity and safety for obedience, and losses of all kinds for disobedience. Economic destruction is one form of judgment for instance. Vulnerability to enemies is another. Natural disasters are part of it as well. Of course you can often trace natural causes of all these things, chains of causality, but God's in charge of all of it and those scripture passages make it clear that obedience or disobedience to His laws is the ultimate cause.Economic collapse is a real possibility according to some.But I don't expect anyone here to do anything but scoff at the Biblical standards, which is of course the very attitude that is taking us down the road to judgment.But the churches are praying and I'm hoping God is hearing.========I just saw the news about another shooting, in Texas. All this happening like this around this time suggests conspiracy to me, to manipulate opinion against the second amendment, but I'm sure most here just take it straight as proof we need to get rid of guns.We'd need some really good investigative reporting to find out.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Good, no deaths.

Do you believe in the laws of this nation that call for the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution and how it is applied?Are you also aware that the Supreme Court has found that limting guns for sale, limiting those who are eligible to buy and carry arms, limiting where those arms can be carried, and even more limitations have been found to be Constitutional?

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Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
DC v. Heller 2008

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This is rather a nonsequitur it seems to me. If a nation obeys God's laws it will be blessed, if it disobeys it will be judged.I don't believe the Supreme Court does what it was meant to do much of the time as it tends to create laws instead of interpreting them, and to my mind it's many times violated the Constitution by changing its meaning to suit themselves. For instance it completely made up the principle by which it imposed Roe v Wade on the nation, and freedom of pornography is a perversion of the first amendment. Those kinds of "interpretations" of the Constitution are a travesty and certainly are bringing God's judgment down on us."Hate speech" laws are another problematic area but I'm not up on what the Supreme Court has done on that score. Obama's speech perversely put gay rights in the same category as black rights and women's rights. He's not the Supreme Court but he's thinking just like them, perverting the Constitution to make it violate God's laws, which it does not in its original intent. And so on. I've never objected to having some restrictions and limitations on guns, clearly some are necessary. And I don't follow all the ins and outs of those limitations, I accept the opinions of sane gun owners and second amendment defenders. They know if the laws are wrongly encroaching on the second amendment or not. And the opinion from that quarter is that what Obama did is illegal and unconstitutional.And then you say that this that and the other sort of restrictions have been found to be Constitutional, and all I can say is if the sane gun owners and defenders I mention accept them as Constitutional I'm fine with them, but there's nothing guaranteeing that the Supreme Court is going to arrive at anything genuinely Constitutional.I don't usually get into the details on this subject, I simply oppose the emotionally-driven propaganda-driven denunciations of guns and the second amendment that always follow on these vicious shootings. Much of this sounds reasonable to me except the part forbidding guns in "sensitive places," because those laws are INVITING these crazed shooters into those very areas. ONLY the criminals are going to carry guns there while the good guys obey the law. That's a recipe for disaster.But again, I don't get into the details of this issue, I leave it to the gun owners and second amendment defenders.

One death by heart attack. But your first reaction was Why did the paranoid assumption of a conspiracy come to you first? I'm waiting to see what kind of weapon/s were used and to see if the purported second gun-person is found and what kind of weapons they had.There is also no account yet for a purpose for this incident, and presumably the suspect will be able to clarify this.2 in custody, 1 wounded in shooting at Texas college

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At least three people, including one suspected shooter, were shot at Lone Star College on its Houston-area campus in Texas on Tuesday, school and police officials say.

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According to Jed Young, a spokesman for the school, the shooting began with an altercation "involving two individuals" shortly before 12:30 p.m. local time. Two people were shot in the crossfire, the spokesman said. The extent of their injuries was not immediately known. According to Houston's ABC affiliate, both of the victimsone student and one employeehave multiple gunshot wounds and are in serious condition. Both victims were conscious when they arrived at the hospital.

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One of the suspected shooters was shot and taken into custody, while a second shooter fled the campus, the spokesman said. According to a Harris County police official, the altercation occurred at the campus library. Five law enforcement agencies responded to the shooting and are searching a wooded area near the school for the second suspect, who they say could be armed.

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According to CNN, a fourth victim suffered a heart attack during the incident.

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It's unclear if the suspected shooters were students at the school. Initial reports suggested the shooting may have escalated after a heated argument between them.

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The police, added the spokesman, said that the danger on campus had been "mitigated."

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So it looks like it was not a school shooting so much as a gun fight between two gun users on a school campus. A gunfight that seriously injured two bystanders and caused, apparently, one deadly heart attack.Good old cowboy shootout mentality? (we are talking Texas, right?)Enjoy

Where did it say the person with the heart attack died of it?The conspiracy thoughts have to do with the TIMING of these events. It's just so CONVENIENT for the anti-gun people you know.Wait and see what information comes out about this incident, that's all.Getting that second shoorter who escaped into the woods would be important. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Interpreting the Constitution is a power given the the Supreme Court by the Constitution. Do you disagree with the Constitution? I have read the Constitution and I seemed to have missed the section where it stated that the Constitution is to be interpreted by what you consider to be sane gun owners and second amendment defenders. It quite clearly states that it is to be interpreted by the Supreme Court. I don't know about you, but I think we should go along with what the Constitution says, that is unless you want to throw out the laws that this nation was founded on.Also, I see nothing in the executive orders that could even come close to being considered unconstitutional. Perhaps you can point them out to us?Read President Obama's New, Proposed Executive Actions and Legislation on GunsThe strongest measures in those orders require federal agencies to make data avaiable that may be relevant in federal background checks. I would hardly call that unconsitutional since background checks are constitutional, are required by law, and Obama does run the executive branch so it is well within his power to require his employees to make this information available. How about this heinous misuse of power?"Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."Oh my goodness, THE EVIL!!!!! You and your friends were not given the power to decide what is and isn't constitutional. It would seem that you are the one who wants to throw the Constitution out the window. If we threw out every law that criminals break then we wouldn't have any laws left.

Houston school shooting: Lone Star College goes into lockdown amid reports of gunman - nj.com

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Melinda Muse, spokeswoman for the Harris County Health System, said two people were taken to Harris Health Ben Taub Hospital Emergency Center following the shooting.

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Cody Harris, 20, he said he was in a classroom with about six or seven other students waiting for a psychology class to start when he heard eight shots. He and other students looked at each other, said "I guess we should get out of here," and fled.

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May be just one hand gun. May be two. Don't know yet.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.

A culture of fear is one where a mindset of perpetually impending doom creates a perceived need to imprison oneself behind ever more gates, guards and guns. It was you who asserted that some sort of tyrannical oppression sweeping across America and the rest of the Western world would be the inevitable consequence of increased gun regulation in the US. It was you who raised the apocalyptic scenario of Godly abandonment and him acting "without mercy" in the event of the second amendment being compromised. It was you who has suggested that some sort of unchecked criminality will ensue as a consequence of disarming the "good people".So I don't really see how you can blame anyone but yourself for these digressions. I am simply pointing out to you that these scenarios, along with the suggestion that kindergarten teachers pack heat, are all part of the same culture-of-fear mindset. Impending Armageddon. Following the impending global-scale tyrannical oppression. Which itself is preceded by criminality run wild. And how should we tackle this array of impending catastrophes? With ever more gates, guards and guns of course!! Has it ever occurred to you that God might prefer us to construct societies in which it is deemed neither necessary nor desirable for kindergarten teachers to undergo 'shoot to kill' training?