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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I would love to continue this discussion with you, I see you have already made some good points and I really enjoy a good debate. Unfortunately I have too much self esteem to put myself through the rudeness of your peers on this site. This site should be better moderated to encourage good discussion. One alternative is a Great Debate thread -- two people debate a topic, other people participate through messaging or a peanut gallery thread. See The Great Debate forum for some existing debates. If you want I can set it up. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... lake Suigetsu is brackish, connected to a salt water lake. Tides affect its salinity, due obtaining its salinity through the adjacent tide effected Lake Kugushi, and salinity has a direct bearing on the population of diatoms (it kills them). Logically there would be a spring tide/diacom population relationship through the brackishness of the lake coming from the high tides of the salt water Lake Kugushi. Lake Suigetsu - Wikipedia
quote: Oops -- no brackish sea water flushing.
quote: Looks like I may need to update this section when the next version is made.
A Complete Terrestrial Radiocarbon Record for 11.2 to 52.8 kyr B.P.Christopher Bronk Ramsey1,*, Richard A. Staff1, Charlotte L. Bryant2, Fiona Brock1, Hiroyuki Kitagawa3, Johannes van der Plicht4,5, Gordon Schlolaut6, Michael H. Marshall7, Achim Brauer6, Henry F. Lamb7, Rebecca L. Payne8, Pavel E. Tarasov9, Tsuyoshi Haraguchi10, Katsuya Gotanda11, Hitoshi Yonenobu12, Yusuke Yokoyama13, Ryuji Tada13, Takeshi Nakagawa8 Science 19 October 2012: Vol. 338 no. 6105 pp. 370-374DOI:10.1126/science.1226660(should be available at your local library) A New Radiocarbon Yardstick from JapanOct 18, 2012 by Andrew Alden from QUEST Northern California http://www.suigetsu.org/embed.php?File=location.html
quote: Seems to be a pretty isolated system. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : added refs and links Edited by RAZD, : added third link\reference and quoteby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2688 days) Posts: 1015 Joined:
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Good idea, let's do it..
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Done. Watch Evolution Theory Issue - Great Debate - mindspawn and RAZD onlymindspawn and RAZD only[/color] for promotion.
Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Panda Member (Idle past 3741 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
RAZD writes:
Initially, I assumed that Mindspawn wanted a 1-on-1 debate about age correlations. Done. Watch Evolution Great Debate - midspawn and RAZD only for promotion.But re-reading, it now seems ambiguous to me. It might be worth confirming which subject MS would like to discuss?(...or maybe I have just got the completely wrong end of the stick.) "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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As to the connections between lakes, Wikipedia appears to be a little wrong.
Mikata-goko lakes]:
quote: The varves aren't forming any longer. IIRC since the canal was dug in 1664. But the varves contain many records of volcanic eruptions. Now those are being correlated with nearby volcanoes, and those volcanoes are being dated by Ar-Ar. Toward establishing precise 40Ar/39Ar chronologies for Late Pleistocene palaeoclimate archives: an example from the Lake Suigetsu (Japan) sedimentary record. Yet another consilience for YECs to fail to explain!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Thanks for the extra information JonF
As to the connections between lakes, Wikipedia appears to be a little wrong. I'm not seeing much difference -- the inflow to Lake Suigetsu is fresh water from Lake Mikata, which is a freshwater lake, as wiki says:
quote: Your link says:
quote: So presumably there was no significant connection prior to that canal, and that is well after the start of the floating chronology. That would still mean "no brackish sea water flushing" (Message 257) yes?
quote: This would mean that the clay\silt runoff would be spread evenly over the top layer of the lake in the fresh water and then settle down. Seems to me that the deep salty water would be from ground water (aquifer) being salty due to proximity of ocean Interesting. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... But the varves contain many records of volcanic eruptions. Now those are being correlated with nearby volcanoes, and those volcanoes are being dated by Ar-Ar. Toward establishing precise 40Ar/39Ar chronologies for Late Pleistocene palaeoclimate archives: an example from the Lake Suigetsu (Japan) sedimentary record. Yet another consilience for YECs to fail to explain! Indeed. These ash layers are mentioned in Message 21 where we have this graph:
quote: And there is information from other sources dating some of those layers. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2688 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
Yes it was my mistake, thanks for picking up the ambiguity Panda. I was busy replying to RAZD's post 250 concerning the evolution debate, when I realised I cannot continue in THIS thread about radioactive dating. Hence the ambiguity, but anyway, both discussions are of interest to me, we can continue discussing novel genes there, and at a later date tackle radioactive dating again in another one on one debate if we both still keen then.
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mindspawn Member (Idle past 2688 days) Posts: 1015 Joined: |
Hi RAZD, I don't have reply privileges in that forum. I actually wanted to discuss dating, but am happy to discuss evolution.
I am only interested in discussing novel genes, your topic seems to be discussing whether the precise wording of my sentence reveals a misunderstanding of evolution? Hey it probably does on a semantic grammar level, you can win that debate ;-) In the meantime I wonder if nature can duplicate a gene naturally, a coding gene that then introduces a new function that adds fitness to the organism? I didn't mean to infer that I have been doing in depth studies for a year, but in a few passing discussions with evolutionists over the last year I have not yet seen evidence of this particular process. If you could show evidence for this , even a private message, I would appreciate it.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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the inflow to Lake Suigetsu is fresh water from Lake Mikata And Lake Kugushi.
So presumably there was no significant connection prior to that canal, and that is well after the start of the floating chronology. Oh, yes, definitely. But it seems that the canal stopped varve formation and destroyed some of the upper varves.
Seems to me that the deep salty water would be from ground water (aquifer) being salty due to proximity of ocean Or the salty water from Lake Kugushi enters a placid lake and settles rather than mixing.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi RAZD, I don't have reply privileges in that forum. I actually wanted to discuss dating, but am happy to discuss evolution. I am only interested in discussing novel genes, your topic seems to be discussing whether the precise wording of my sentence reveals a misunderstanding of evolution? Hey it probably does on a semantic grammar level, you can win that debate ;-) In the meantime I wonder if nature can duplicate a gene naturally, a coding gene that then introduces a new function that adds fitness to the organism? I didn't mean to infer that I have been doing in depth studies for a year, but in a few passing discussions with evolutionists over the last year I have not yet seen evidence of this particular process. If you could show evidence for this , even a private message, I would appreciate it. okay -- lets tackle the novel gene issue first and then we can have another go at the dating issues, either here or in a great debate. See you at Evolution Theory Issue - Great Debate -mindspawn and RAZD onlymindspawn and RAZD only[/color] Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
An excellent overview and discussion of the concordance of dates from a variety of sources:
Message 254 on the Introduction To Geology thread Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Looks like I'll need to edit Message 2:
http://www.rmtrr.org/oldlist.htm
quote: Also THE ANCIENT TREES - Spiritual Forum - Ashtar Command - Spiritual Community
quote: A standing 7,000 year old dead tree standing near living trees (ie undisturbed by any flood waters ... ) and that can be tied to Methuselah, Prometheus and this new 5,062 year old tree by dendrochronology and cross-dating gives us a very strong chronology. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : 2 not 3by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
in Message 128 of the Age of mankind, dating, and the flood thread JonF posts
quote: Adding another dating correlation to the mix. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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