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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi No,
NoNukes writes: Do we know enough about the perp to know whether he should have been off the streets? His neighbors thought he should have been off the street.
NoNukes writes: In my opinion, this last rant of yours is scary sounding stuff. Full of anti-government stuff along with a few things that I cannot make any sense of. Why would a police force that is answerable only to the Fed as I asked in my post you made this reply to need to purchase 1.6 billion hollow point bullets for. You don't use hollow point bullets to target practice with as the fowl up the barrel and are much more expensive than regular bullets.
NoNukes writes: Standard gun nut rant. None of the proposed federal legislation has any provisions that would remove guns already in the hands of citizens. Go study history of countrys where they took away the guns of the citizens. You will find the first thing you have to do is get every gun registered. After all guns are registered the gestapo (private police force) can confiscate all registered weapons. Did you know we had a private police force which is authorized by the USA Patriot Act of 2001 established in Section 364 of the Patriot act and answer to the Federal Reserve only? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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His neighbors thought he should have been off the street. Is that sufficient reason for you?
You will find the first thing you have to do is get every gun registered Standard gun nut stuff. How many of those other countries had a second amendment? Does registration inevitably lead to confiscation? We know that despite your statements, confiscation hasn't even happened in Cuba. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Why would a police force that is answerable only to the Fed as I asked in my post you made this reply to need to purchase 1.6 billion hollow point bullets for. You don't use hollow point bullets to target practice with as the fowl up the barrel and are much more expensive than regular bullets. This is likely the same ammo that the police in Florida use. And if the police (federal, state, or local) are carrying the ammo, they are also training with the ammo despite the expense. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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ICANT writes: Go study history of countrys where they took away the guns of the citizens. Help. The UK Gestapo are banging down my door in order to subjugate and oppress me even as I type.... If only I had a gun to fight them off and retain my liberty!!! Oh. Turns out it was just the postman delivering a parcel.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi No,
NoNukes writes: This is likely the same ammo that the police in Florida use. And if the police (federal, state, or local) are carrying the ammo, they are also training with the ammo despite the expense. Well why should they worry about the expense they are using taxpayer money to purchase the ammo with. Except since Sandy Hook they are having trouble getting ammo and weapons. Ammo is six months and weapons up to a year on backorder. In military we always used jacked bullets to pratice with. But I have checked and a lot of the police forces use hollow point bullets to practice with. Then they replace their weapons often. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi No,
NoNukes writes: Is that sufficient reason for you? Just about everybody in town knew who was involved in killing the bus driver and taking the kid before his name was announced. If everyone knew who would be involved in such an incident when he was arraigned on the previous charge why wasn't he checked out by the mental health dept.
NoNukes writes: Standard gun nut stuff. How many of those other countries had a second amendment? What difference would it have made if they had a second amendment like we do? Our second amendment is being trashed everyday and will soon be of non effect. The second amendment was written because the British tried to confiscate the guns of the colonist.
quote:Here God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes: Help. The UK Gestapo are banging down my door in order to subjugate and oppress me even as I type.... But you are just one of the sheeple what do they have to worry about you for? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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If you actually knew anything about the military and law you would know that the military has to use jacketed(see spelling, not jacked) bullets. They are not used just for practice.
This is a provision of The Hague Convention of 1899.
quote:Source But I have checked and a lot of the police forces use hollow point bullets to practice with.
Well it would be really stupid to practice with ammo different than what you would use on the job. You do realize that different bullets perform differently in the same firearm, don't you. Sometimes significantly depending on bullet weight, type and shape. You would think someone that is such a gun aficionado would know these things.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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By "sheeple" do you mean people who haven't adopted your paraoid delusions and culture of fear? People who don't imprison themselves in bunkers or behind double steel doors? People who consider not needing to relentlessly lock themselves in and arm themselves up as a far superior form of liberty? People who spend their time doing productive and creative things rather than spending every precious moment preparing for the impending doom that awaits round every corner? Those people?
If that's awhat you mean by "sheeple" then - Yes - Count me in.
Straggler writes: ICANT - Who enjoys the greater freedom in your view. Man A or man B? Man A lives in a situation where he genuinely needs to bolt his doors, set his alarms and persistently arm himself because there is a strong likelihood that if he doesn't he or his family will come to significant physical harm. Man B lives in a situation where he can be relatively unconcerned about personal security because he is unlikely to be a victim of violent crime. Who enjoys the greater freedom? ICANT writes: Since we live worlds apart in totally different environments I would say man A is happier, as he has no worries. If that is your idea of happiness you should move to somewhere like Beiruit.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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The second amendment was written because the British tried to confiscate the guns of the colonist. Uhmm, no. I see you know as much about history as you seem to know about firearms. This was not the reason for the 2nd amendment. Also, the british were not going to confiscate the weapons of individual colonists. They had heard of a stockpile of weapons. That is what they were going to confiscate. Are you saying if a group was advocating violence against the US government and the governement knew they ahd a stockpile of weapons, then the US gov't should do nothing? Your rightwing propaganda is full of holes. Learn the truth not whacko conspiracy shit.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Well why should they worry about the expense they are using taxpayer money to purchase the ammo with. Do you understand that you are under cutting your own argument?
But I have checked and a lot of the police forces use hollow point bullets to practice with. Then they replace their weapons often. So hollow point bullets are used for practice exactly as I suggested, and contrary to what your post suggested?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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What difference would it have made if they had a second amendment like we do? Our second amendment is being trashed everyday and will soon be of non effect. Yes ICANT, I understand that your not being able to obtain five inch naval artillery is an infringement of the second amendment to your way of thinking. But if you are going to claim that Scalia is correct about the interpretation of the 2nd amendment, that would also include his acknowledgement of limitations that are not infringments.
The second amendment was written because the British tried to confiscate the guns of the colonist. Taking this to be true for the sake of discussion, what's your point? The British would not care about some colonist document, would they? The question is whether the federal government is coming to get your cache. Other than the "any regulation is a step toward confiscation" paranoid faux-logic, there is no such indication. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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If everyone knew who would be involved in such an incident when he was arraigned on the previous charge why wasn't he checked out by the mental health dept. They "knew" he was the one involved after the fact, ICANT. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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But you are just one of the sheeple what do they have to worry about you for? The sheeple in this case are the nut jobs who regurgitate right wing propoganda from talk radio and Fox News. Are the people in the UK being oppressed? No. Were the American people oppressed during the 10 year assault weapons ban that ended in 2004? No. All we have is a bunch of Chicken Little's. The sky isn't falling. The government is not out to get you.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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All we have is a bunch of Chicken Little's. The sky isn't falling. The government is not out to get you.
A prime example of this mentality seems to be Petrophysics1 who is jeering everyone that is debating ICANT. It seems that he thinks ICANT's unhinged comments are more palatable than any type of gun regulation at all. Don't confuse him with the facts his mind is made up, but not willing to provide any evidence to support his viewpoint. It is kind of silly to jeer factual data.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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