Do we have any documentation of demon possesion that was critically evaluated ?Is there a medical textbook that descibes the condition and proscribe a cure.
Allow me to relate to you an artcle in the Skeptical Inquirer[nov/dec 2003] Titled Autistic Boy Killed During Exorcism.
On Friday August 22003,eight year old Terrance Cotrell.Jr,Who suffers from autism,was held down by church members during a prayer service to exorcise the evil spirits they blamed for his condition. According to the New York Times,'his shirt was drenched in sweat when the church members who were holding him down,saying they wanted to rid him of demons,finally noticed that he was dead.He had urinated on himself,and his small brown face had a bluish cast.' According to the medical examiner,there was extensive bruising on the back of the little boy's neck and it appeared that he died of mechanical asphyxiation from pressure placed on his chest.Pat Coper,the boy's mother,told investigators that she held down one of Terrance's feet,while other women held down other parts of his body.
Anyway I will leavre it at that ansd see how the people here absorb this.If you wish you can purchase a copy and look in the news and comments sction on page 11.
Sidelined, you story demonstrates the danger of this kind of thinking. However, in what way is it "evidence"?
What we probably have is enough absence of evidence here to begin to be evidence of absence. But the existance of demons, like other supernatural things might be hard to absolutely disprove.
However, the fact that you have manage to get your opponent to be careless enough to appear to support demonic possesion is an excellent tactic. This will, I guess, gain him credibiility in some circles. However, it will certainly destroy it in other, much wider circles.
quote:Ned, a whole lot of us consider Fox to be the most unbiased and objective newscasts of the Networks.
"Just because two million people do a dumb thing, it's still a dumb thing." --Berke Breathed
You may think Fox to be unbiased and objective, buz, but that doesn't make it so.
In fact, an analysis of the viewers of the various networks found that those who got their news from Fox were actually the most likely to be misinformed. Those that got their news from NPR were the least likely to be misinformed.
quote:At any rate Fox gave no official opinion as to the network's opinion of this. They simply covered it as newsworthy.
A completely unverified and absolutely unverifiable assertion is "newsworthy"? What's next? The sun really has a creamy nougat center?
quote:At least Fox is not so phobic of the supernatural that they would not consider it newsworthy.
That doesn't make them a better news source. A service that is not "phobic" to do something stupid merely means they are foolhardy, not "good," let alone "fair" or "balanced."
Once again, we all remember the acronym from Journalism 101: FACT = Fast, Accurate, Concise, True.
You will notice that neither "fair" nor "balanced" is in there anywhere. It is the journalist's job to do the research required to find out what is accurate in the story. That necessarily means that those who put forward inaccurate statements don't get to have their opinions reflected in the story.
That doesn't mean they are to be silenced. It simply means that a good journalist will deliberately ignore those that make inaccurate, unverifiable statements.
There are other recorded instances of death through this sort of magical thinking however what is probably not shown is how often is it unassesed as such.The idea of demonic possesion is medieval and dangerous.That such a system of "witchdoctoring" is still prevalent on the modern world is frightening in the least,tragic and heartrending in the actual. By what means of logic do people such as these determine such these ludicrous levels of treatment.The boy in my example was autistic for christ's sake. I do not believe that the people here would have any possible means of excusing such acts.
To quote further."Though the county medical examiner ruled the boy's death a homicide,Hemphill[the preacher] has been charged only with felony child abuse,and faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison and five years court supervision if convicted.No one else was charged."
I beg of you ,read the article in full. There is a partcularly heinous one involving a five year old girl.
quote:In fact, an analysis of the viewers of the various networks found that those who got their news from Fox were actually the most likely to be misinformed. Those that got their news from NPR were the least likely to be misinformed.
I agree with you completely. My point was simply that the story, by itself, doesn't disprove demonic possesion. It does as point out that ignorance can be a fatal illness. (to the wrong person in this case).
No it doesnt that is true however if such deads were performed by doctors they would never see the light of day nor the end of lawsuits.And the public outcry would be extraordanary.I do not see how thinking people can assume that such a thing exists without being sceptical.
Hey, JustinCy, I really hope that you’re joking but if your not and if you think that ejaculation and teen pregnancy is caused by "Demons" I think you need to take a step back and seriously think about what you are saying. Though I try not to make fun of people for their believes I have to ask you, do you also believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Clause?
“Jani has not passed urine since he was brought here on November 12. He has not taken anything by mouth or by any other route — not even water during this period. All his parameters are within the normal physiological range. Initially, the project was to continue for seven days but his health allowed us to extend it,” said Dhruv.
Tests have showed that Jani’s body has shown evidence of formation of urine, which seems to be reabsorbed from his bladder wall.
“He underwent all possible medical investigations — from checking blood pressure to MRI of brain and gut, which were normal. Perhaps, he is more fit than other people of his age. This is an attempt to understand a new dimension in medical science and help mankind,” said Dr Sudhir Shah, a neurologist, who was a part of the team who examined a similar case of Hira Ratan Manek, a person who fasted for 411 days.
“But this one is different. Not passing urine and stool is a very striking phenomenon. This is a oneof-a-kind case,” he said.
At present, the committee does not have any scientific explanation for the phenomenon. “All we can say is that we are taking help of senior scientists.”