Flaws in the Scriptures

Good to hear it Ragnarok!If I may adress another point in your previous post: Oh yes, I agree with this whole heartedly. Just look at Budhisim and its various flavors across the east. Some places hes a god, others hes not. Some have vastly divergent mithologies. Yet you can still see thier relatedness, you can still see the common thread.Likewise, we see this amongst the Greeks and Romans, who had much crossover in thir mythology. Various North american indians can be identified according to their myths, diffrent tribes, similar myths.So, if they all came from Noah, we would expect a similar set of myths in all cultures. But we don't. Infact, we see myths puddled in diffrent cultures, along the same geography that isolates them in the first place. Each myth grupe arising in its respective area.Likewise, we find the bible myths, localized to the middle east. And guess what? All the nighboring myths in that area are similar to biblical myths!So, again, how does the bible account for this phenomena?

If 2 Chronicles starts Jehoiachin's reign at 8 and he reigns 3 months and ten days before being deposed and dragged off to Babylon, how does he get to be King at 18 ? Read the relevant passages !Both say that Jehoiachin reigned for (about) three months, and that he was succeeded by Zesekaiah who reigned 11 years. You do not have room to insert another ten years into the Chronicles account. Don't you care about what the Bible actually says ?

There are ample stories of a man called Noah who took the animals and his family in a boat all over the world. I don't think it was missed by the entire world. You define supernatural then, if you realy want to harp on about it. He is still allowed to answer you btw. Sometimes however its difficult to spend too much time answering 5 different people at the same time.Z

PaulK,In regards to Jehoiachin's reign, please notice that while both II Kings and II Chronicles list him as reigning for only three months, they also both place a qualifier on that statement in that they both quote the three months as the length of time during which Jehoiachin reigned in Jerusalem. Thus while one book places the beginning of his reign at his coregency and the other presents it as his actual ascension to the throne, both books agree that he was sole regent for only three months.

Nonsense. 2 Chronicles puts the length of Jehoichin's reign at three months and 10 days. The ONLY thing that could qualify as a "start date" is the time he "became King" at age 8.This really explains why you were unable to find any errors in the KJV - an absolute refusal to see them !

There are ample stories, all right - only they're all in the same book. "Gilgamesh" isn't the same name as "Noah."

That's "Utnapishtim". Oh well "Deucalion" isn't "Noah" either...

No-one mentioned Gilgamesh. Do a search on google.Z

As mentioned elsewhere Zealot, if you want a case made for your side you'll have to present it. You are not holding up your side of the discussion at all well.

Hi Z,You said there are ample stories of a man called Noah.......However, there are only two stories of Noah and they are both edited into the one account in the book of Genesis.Two conflicting stories edited into one account may be 'ample' for you, but for the rest of us, well work it out.Brian.[This message has been edited by Brian, 11-25-2003]

My full reply was"There are ample stories of a man called Noah who took the animals and his family in a
boat all over the world. I don't think it was missed by the entire world."which was in response to" Excuse me but you cannot have read the posts by me very well since even if we allow
for supernatural explanation it doe not explain how such an event was missed by every nation on Earth."I see it came across that I implied the actual name "Noah" had to be used, my mistake. I meant to draw
upon the simularities between the Noah account and that of other 'myths'. That the name " Noah " is only used
in a few of these, does not surprise me considering the time span given between the events. I also did refer to
Gilgamesh tales in my list of myths.Flood Stories from Around the World

Hey Zealot,That was a very interesting link!I never knew some of the myths could be so similar. The Wealsh myth is almost verbatim. Still this proves little, as many of the myths are vastly divergent from the Noachian flood. Again, many myths are also repeated between culture, not because we are related, but rather because we are human. Joseph Campell offten adressed this phenomena using the idea of Jungian Architypes.An Architype is a human idea, kinda like, a symbol thats common between all humans. Myth wise, Joseph Campell likes to point out the coming of age myth. North american indians, and other tribes, often have the myth of the young man going into the wilderness, or faceing great adversity, then coming back a man. Biblicaly, he paints the story of David and Goliath in this light.Other powerfull archetypes, are things like Dragons and giants. archetypical creatures found in nearly all cultures and symbolizing similar ideas. Another powerfull architype is the idea of a savior.Looking at all the cultures in the world, you find the legend of a divine savior almost universal. The aztecs, for example, belived a white man Qutzoquatl (sp) with a beard came to them one day, brought them rain, and knowledge, gave them a calander, and left saying one day he would return for all of them. I allways entertained the notion that he was a lost Viking .So, it is expected that myths among humans, will invariably employ similar symbols. A Deluge, and the ideas it cannotes (destruction, wipeing away everything, cleansing, rebirth from it, etc.) is a universal human idea. That such a symbol would be magnified into a myth of destruction by various cultures is also unremarkable in the broader view of things.[This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-25-2003]

Ok I see,So Noah is only referred to in two stories, both spliced and made into one account in Genesis.The next question is, why can't the Noah myth simply be the retelling of much older flood myths from around the Near East? The Hebrew's are notorius for 'borrowing' the myths of other cultures.Brian.

The actuall name "Noah" was used in 2 stories (other than the popular Hebrew). Actually the other way around. You seem pretty fast to discredit the Bible, but quick to accept the authenticity of documents regarding other religious and myths as accurate. Hold on, after the spread of Christianity in Rome, would other religions not have 'borrowed' from Christianity to maintain its following ? I mean, what DOES a failing religion do maintain the sales of their idols ?Tell me, what is the oldest existing scripts of Homer ?Z

What does Homer have to do with this? There is no flood in those stories. Also, did you even read the flood myths you posted? Most of them are very dissimilar to Noah's flood. A story about a big flood is no big whoop. It's a common disaster everybody knows about, it's great for a morality tale.Also, what on earth would qualify a religion as failing? Budhisim is not failing, Hinduism, Islam is certainly not failing. Didn't you know that christianity is still a minority religion? It may be the largest single religion, but most people of the world subscribe to many diffrent belifes.