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Author Topic:   Evolution Requires Reduction in Genetic Diversity
JonF
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Message 16 of 1034 (691690)
02-24-2013 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
02-23-2013 9:03 PM


Re: Thanks for Acknowledgments of the Claim of Reduced Genetic Diversity
Of course there are other ways that speciation can happen.
Or polyploidy in plants, which can happen in a single generation, But nobody's impressed by plants.

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Message 510 of 1034 (758073)
05-19-2015 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by Denisova
05-19-2015 5:41 AM


Re: No 'new functions'
Is it normal in this thread that you get no answers on the questions you pose?
It's extremely common in any online discussion between creationists and the reality-based community. Percy tries harder to fix the problem than most online moderators, but most of what he does has no effect.

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Message 863 of 1034 (759440)
06-11-2015 12:20 PM
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06-11-2015 11:27 AM


Re: macroevolution not impossible -- it has been observed.
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Message 864 of 1034 (759441)
06-11-2015 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 860 by Faith
06-11-2015 12:01 PM


Re: Evidence of adaptation (but mutation?}
Yes, it was addressed. Put simply, through analysis they identified the specific gene and the changes to the gene that provided the Swedish population with freeze tolerance, then they checked their analysis by inserting the Italian version of the gene into a Swedish population and observed that freeze tolerance was lost.
HBD's point was that these are the types of changes one would expect as different populations of the same species experience different mutations and different selection pressures.
In this case it must be natural selection, different versions showing up and the adapted one surviving, but nothing was said to prove it was a mutation.
Read much?
"So they sequenced this gene (named CBF-2) and found that the Italian population had a deletion of 13 nucleotides which resulted in a stop codon and a truncated protein (sound familiar?). When they inserted the Italian CBF-2 allele into a Swedish genetic background (all other loci were of Swedish origin except the Italian CBF-2 allele) the plant lost its freeze tolerance. SO we have a Swedish CBF-2 allele that helps the plant tolerate freezing temperatures and an Italian CBF-2 allele that does not have freezing tolerance."
A deletion of 13 nucleotides is a mutation.

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