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03-01-2013 4:42 PM

According to astronomers who've been using the National Science Foundation's Green Bank Telescope, they've discovered evidence of prebiotic molecules in interstellar space, the first time this kind of evidence has ever been uncovered. This finding could increase the odds of discovering life outside of our own solar system, say experts.
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03-01-2013 5:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
03-01-2013 4:42 PM

Joni Mitchell writes:
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We are stardust,
Billion year old carbon.
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I love old hippies when they're right.
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I suspect that one day life and consciousness will be seen as necessarily emergent (i.e., physical) properties of our universe.
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03-01-2013 5:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
03-01-2013 4:42 PM

OK, I missed something.
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What makes this so big?
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Glycine, an amino acid, was discovered in the interstellar medium back in 2003. It appears on an early version of Wiki's list of interstellar molecules back in 2004. Aren't amino's considered pre-biotic?
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03-01-2013 6:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 2 by Omnivorous
03-01-2013 5:06 PM

I suspect that one day life and consciousness will be seen as necessarily emergent (i.e., physical) properties of our universe.
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"Common" I could potentially buy. But "necessarily emergent" is one hell of a non sequitur.
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Your line of reasoning would seem to validate a falsehood that we regularly attempt to dispel from creationists - that evolution has a "goal" or a hierarchy, and that intelligent life is somehow being "worked toward" by all species.
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03-01-2013 7:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 4 by Rahvin
03-01-2013 6:51 PM

Rahvin writes:
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I suspect that one day life and consciousness will be seen as necessarily emergent (i.e., physical) properties of our universe.
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"Common" I could potentially buy. But "necessarily emergent" is one hell of a non sequitur.
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I don't quite understand why you say it is a non sequitur; perhaps I expressed the idea badly.
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Your line of reasoning would seem to validate a falsehood that we regularly attempt to dispel from creationists - that evolution has a "goal" or a hierarchy, and that intelligent life is somehow being "worked toward" by all species.
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There are quite a few assumptions to unpack, I suppose: I assume the early/"origin" properties of our universe pretty much dictated our current state, and I assume that both life and intelligence will prove to be common in our universe.
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So I think intelligent life is an emergent property of our universe: perhaps "necessarily" was the wrong word, but I meant it to describe a necessary consequence of our starting conditions, not a teleological one: constants and particles that will form stars, stars that will form heavier elements, planetary systems that will at least occasionally occupy Goldilocks zones, and a universe so vast as to guarantee the common occurrence of conscious life and the universal application of evolution which will give rise, given enough time, to intelligent life.
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That's just an intuitive leap, a dream speculation if you will, not so much a line of reasoning.
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Still, I'd like to know what you think is improbable about it.
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03-01-2013 7:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 4 by Rahvin
03-01-2013 6:51 PM

..Adaptation to Reality...
Your line of reasoning would seem to validate a falsehood that we regularly attempt to dispel from creationists - that evolution has a "goal" or a hierarchy, and that intelligent life is somehow being "worked toward" by all species.
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Hm....
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That a Fundy belief?
Seems reasonable.
If all life has had to adapt to the environment or become extinct, it would be plausible that thinking would arise that assisted that enterprise.
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