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Author Topic:   Evolution Requires Reduction in Genetic Diversity
kofh2u
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Message 216 of 1034 (692299)
03-01-2013 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
02-27-2013 12:19 PM


Re: Mutations Can Add Something That Could Rescue the ToE
...the Bible underlies my interest in pursuing this line of reasoning, I'm using ONLY what I've learned from EVOLUTIONIST SCIENCE in the actual argument itself.
I admire ou loyalty to what you think is to the service of God since you interpret the Bible the same as the churches taught for 500 years now.
I too support the Bible and believe what I understand it to say, while having faith in Christ which is an euphemism for Truth.
But I must again point to the mutation of the fused chromosomes in man when the ape surrogate mother gave birth to the first human.
You have not used this in support of the other side here, that that mutation demonstrates a singular case and example of mutations increasing diversity.
As I pointed out to you elsewhere, the research now even supports that what changed in accord with that mutation was Intelligence, the most obvious and singularly well understood difference between the Apes and Humans.
"Recent studies suggest that genes on chromosome 2 may play an important role in human intelligence:"
A Linkage Study of Academic Skills Defined by the Queensland
Core Skills Test
Mark A. Wainwright,1,2,3 Margaret J. Wright,1 Michelle Luciano,1 Grant W. Montgomery,1
Gina M. Geffen,2 and Nicholas G. Martin1
Received 18 Apr. 2005Final 15 Aug. 2005
This study used genome-wide linkage analysis to detect Quantitative Trait Loci (QTLs) implicated in variation in general academic achievement as measured by the Queensland Core Skills Test (QCST) (Queensland Studies Authority, 2004).
While no empirically derived significant or suggestive peaks for general academic achievement were indicated, a peak on chromosome 2 was observed in a region where Posthuma et al.
(2005) reported significant linkage for Performance IQ (PIQ) and suggestive linkage for Full Scale IQ (FSIQ), and Luciano et al. (this issue) observed significant linkage for PIQ and word reading.
In addition, on chromosomes 2 and 18 peaks for a number of specific academic skills, two of which were suggestive, coincided with the general academic achievement peaks.
The findings suggest that variation in general academic achievement is influenced by genes on chromosome 2 which have broad influence on a variety of cognitive abilities.
http://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/CV453.pdf

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kofh2u
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Message 226 of 1034 (692342)
03-01-2013 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
03-01-2013 6:26 PM


Re: Mutations Don't Add Anything That Could Rescue the ToE
I need another cup of tea.
I must again point to the mutation of the fused chromosomes in man when the ape surrogate mother gave birth to the first human.
You have not used this in support of the other side here, that that mutation demonstrates a singular case and example of mutations increasing diversity.
As I pointed out to you elsewhere, the research now even supports that what changed in accord with that mutation was Intelligence, the most obvious and singularly well understood difference between the Apes and Humans.
"Recent studies suggest that genes on chromosome 2 may play an important role in human intelligence:"
A Linkage Study of Academic Skills Defined by the Queensland
Core Skills Test
Mark A. Wainwright,1,2,3 Margaret J. Wright,1 Michelle Luciano,1 Grant W. Montgomery,1
Gina M. Geffen,2 and Nicholas G. Martin1
Received 18 Apr. 2005Final 15 Aug. 2005
This study used genome-wide linkage analysis to detect Quantitative Trait Loci (QTLs) implicated in variation in general academic achievement as measured by the Queensland Core Skills Test (QCST) (Queensland Studies Authority, 2004).
While no empirically derived significant or suggestive peaks for general academic achievement were indicated, a peak on chromosome 2 was observed in a region where Posthuma et al.
(2005) reported significant linkage for Performance IQ (PIQ) and suggestive linkage for Full Scale IQ (FSIQ), and Luciano et al. (this issue) observed significant linkage for PIQ and word reading.
In addition, on chromosomes 2 and 18 peaks for a number of specific academic skills, two of which were suggestive, coincided with the general academic achievement peaks.
The findings suggest that variation in general academic achievement is influenced by genes on chromosome 2 which have broad influence on a variety of cognitive abilities.
http://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/CV453.pdf
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kofh2u
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Message 240 of 1034 (692373)
03-02-2013 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by NoNukes
03-01-2013 11:10 PM


Re: Mutations Don't Add Anything That Could Rescue the ToE
kofh:
when the ape surrogate mother gave birth to the first human.
No Nu:
Say what? In what sense would that ape not have been 'real' mom?
In the sense that she was not the same soecies as the baby she was merely carrying for the next evolution.
And God, by this act of probability, would be the real father of the offspring, since this new creature would be the first born.

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kofh2u
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Message 275 of 1034 (692448)
03-03-2013 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Coyote
03-02-2013 10:54 PM


raising Cain again....
"Cain" is a religious myth, with no necessary relationship to either scientific data or modern humans.
The story about Cain and Abel, among other things, corr4sponds quite accurately to what scientists have seen as the driving force behind the rise of man, where thinking and brain power required a dietary difference from other early humanoid types.
Gen. 4:2 And she, (as a line of human ascent), again (evolved another new sub-species), bare his brother, Abel, (Australopithecus anamensis).
And Abel (was carnivorous,) was a keeper of sheep, but Cain (Ardipithecus ramidus, a vegetarian), was a tiller of the ground.
Gen. 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain, (Ardipithecus ramidus, a vegetarian), brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD, (which is the ever unfolding almighty Reality within which all men are both trapped and nurtured).
Gen. 4:4 And Abel, (Australopithecus anamensis, was carnivorous), he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD, (Father Nature, our Reality), had respect, (in regard to the evolutionary value of a high protein diet), unto Abel, (Australopithecus anamnesis), and to his offering:
Gen. 4:5 But unto Cain, (Ardipithecus ramidus was vegetarian), and to his offering, (as concerning the nutritional value to brain metabolism), he, (Father Nature, our Reality), had not respect, (in regard to the demands of the expanding mental abilities of evolving man).
And Cain, (Ardipithecus ramidus), was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
"Invoking diet to explain the differences between... H. erectus and earlier forms such as H. habilis, a species known only from fragmentary fossils, ...and our more apelike ancestors, the australopithecines, is nothing new.
The size difference between males and females in H. erectus is narrower than it is in the australopithecines of half a million years earlier. And the brains of both sexes grew larger while their guts and teeth shrank; the most dramatic changes occurred between specimens assigned to early Homo species and those classed in H. erectus. "There's no other point [in time] when you get such large changes," says Wrangham.
The traditional dietary explanation, however, is a shift from nuts and berries to meat.
Cut marks on animal bones suggest that humans had mastered meat-eating, perhaps by scavenging carcasses, by 1.8 million years ago.
Many researchers have assumed that this high-quality food fueled the rise of H. erectus, enabling it to process food with smaller teeth and guts and nourishing larger brains and bodies."

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kofh2u
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Message 276 of 1034 (692449)
03-03-2013 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by WarriorArchangel
03-02-2013 9:10 PM


Re: Thanks for Acknowledgments of the Claim of Reduced Genetic Diversity
Intelligence doesn't evolve. It is inherited. Embedded in the womb and will learn to its capacity. Cain gave us the intelligence gene. In the theory of evolution there is no ape to pass on the intelligence gene.
Genetics has confirmed that you are wrong here in anumber of ways.
Intellgence DID evolve and we have located the genes which show this.
When two of the 24 Ape chromosomes fused and man, with only 23 chromosomes evolved from the Atomic "dust" inside the womb of that surrogate Ape mother, the genes which correspond to semantic intelligence appeared along with that Act-of-God:
"Recent studies suggest that genes on chromosome 2 may play an important role in human intelligence:"
A Linkage Study of Academic Skills Defined by the Queensland Core Skills While no empirically derived significant or suggestive peaks for general academic achievement were indicated, a peak on chromosome 2 was observed in a region where Posthuma et al. (2005) reported significant linkage for Performance IQ (PIQ) and suggestive linkage for Full Scale IQ (FSIQ), and Luciano et al. (this issue) observed significant linkage for PIQ and word reading.
In addition, on chromosomes 2 and 18 peaks for a number of specific academic skills, two of which were suggestive, coincided with the general academic achievement peaks.
The findings suggest that variation in general academic achievement is influenced by genes on chromosome 2 which have broad influence on a variety of cognitive abilities.
http://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/CV453.pdf
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