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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Spiritual Anarchist writes:
Your body is you. There is no "without" you.
Because according to Libet my body behaves without me.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Spiritual anarchist writes:
How can an experiment detect something "outside" the physical you?
Have you even read about Libets experiment?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
Certainly there's a difference between concious and unconcious activities in your brain. That has nothing to do with anything "outside" of you. It's just that the concious part of "you" isn't concious of what the unconcious part is doing.
It makes it feel like there's a seperation between the me that is in my head and the body that its attached to.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
That's what I always say. Intelligence can only operate within the system.
The ID people are off track since Intelligence is the ability to understand Reality, not to manufacture it. kofh2u writes:
Intelligence is the measure of one's ability to operate within the system. It depends on observation of the system and derivation of correct - i.e. "working" - cause-and-effect relationships within the system. If you can figure out what makes it go, you can make it go. Intelligence is the measure of one ability to state the Truth about reality, or the facts of life that are inherent in reality.We actually measure intelligence by how many true answers we can count out of a questionnaire of one type of another. Conversely, intelligence can't operate on anything outside the sytem. What we can't observe, we can't understand. If "Truth" is beyond the understanding of intelligence, then "Truth" is irrelevant to human beings. If God is "Truth", then God is irrelevant.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
You have that backwards. "True" is only true within a given system. That's why black people tend to score poorly on "white" IQ tests - because what's "true" in the white culture is not necessarily true in theirs.
Measuring Intelligence is called IQ, which is established ONLY by measuring whether the responses sre true, not contingent upon any system at all. kofh2 writes:
Intelligence can be demonstrated in a situation where there are no other people - e.g. if you're marooned on an island. In that case, you survive or not depending on how "real" your perception of the "truth" is. Intelligence is Truth, expressed or demonstrated in the thinking of someone. However, in a social situation, truth has a lot to do with consensus. The consensus will say that when the light is red you should stop, even if you perceive the "truth' as full speed ahead. Real situations often require group truth rather than individual truth.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
What if the castaway only thought that he was on an island but he was really on a peninsula and there was a four-lane super-highway only a day's march away. His lack of knowledge/understanding of the True Ultimate Ideal Reality would have no effect on how he lived his life in the reality that he thought he was in. The True Ultimate Ideal Reality is irrelevant to his reality.
You own example of a marroned island make my point quite well.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
That's what I keep saying but you seem to think there's something beyond the reality that we can observe.
There is no "Ultimate Reality." There is only what actually exists, Reality.Everything else that we might form our own perceptions about is mere fantasy.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
And then you say:
ringo writes:
No I don't... That's what I keep saying but you seem to think there's something beyond the reality that we can observe. kofh2u writes:
How is the "Holy Spirit" not "something beyond the reality that we can observe"?
...Truth inside our head, is the Holy Spirit, the image of God, almighty Reality, and is present inside our mind when our thinking correctly images the TRUTH, or the picture of Reality inside our mind. kofh2u writes:
How do you observe God?
God is all there is, ie; Reality itself...
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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kofh2u writes:
The keyword there is "we". Objective images - i.e. images that a group of observers can agree on - are more reliable than individual images, which may be fantasies. Since there is no objective consensus about the "Holy Spirit", it can not be considered a "truth about reality". Rather, it is an individual fantasy.
Using that information, we construct various truths about Reality, and form an image of it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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kofh2u writes:
"Empirically" implies consensus - i.e. that you can demonstrate your observation to others. If you can't, your mental images are just fantasies.
ringo writes:
Empirically.
How do you observe God? God can be observed empiricially, through the use of our senses by which we make mental images called "thoughts" about "him."
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
Nobody here is arguing against the idea of an unconscious mind. However, there is no evidence that it has any relation to the idea of "God".
The argument I would make is that, the Unconscious mind is reconstructed genetically, and born again into the generation of the living.
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