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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Theo,
Theodoric writes: I thought you said you could change a magazine in .043 seconds or something like that. It takes 1 second to change a magazine.
Theodoric writes: Your earlier argument was that banning high capacity magazines was stupid because you could change them so quickly. Now you need 30 rounds because you can't change them quickly? If I am firing at you with my 30.06 you will be past 100 yards from me and at that distance it makes no difference how fast you can run. I can reload and fire before you cover 15 yards. But if you are marching down my street I am not going to shoot you just because you are on my street. But when you come across the sidewalk you are within 10 yards or 30 feet from my front door. That makes a lot of difference in how much amunition I might need. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Proving once again all you are is bluster.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Can you name me 1 State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training? That is what constitutes a State Militia. You do realize laws have changed since 1792. Your definition does not come from the Constitution but from laws passed in 1792. One of those laws quote: So you actually seem to be advocating the nullification of US laws and sedition.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Can you name me 1 State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training? That is what constitutes a State Militia. Nonsense.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The law also authorized the President to call the militias into Federal service "whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act" Thanks Theodoric. This is exactly what ICANT is complaining happened in Alabama. Sounds like the President's actions in Alabama were proper according to that 1792 law.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
If I am firing at you with my 30.06 you will be past 100 yards from me and at that distance it makes no difference how fast you can run. I can reload and fire before you cover 15 yards. What is the manufacturer and model of this rifle? How quickly can you fire a 30 round mag and stay on target?
It takes 1 second to change a magazine.
Bullshit. It takes that long just to chamber the first round.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7
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Why didn't you explain to me what will happen when there is no money to buy food with? I imagine it would look something like the Great Depression, or perhaps Germany after WWI. You know...historical examples of real financial meltdowns. Neither of which resemble the bizarre survivalist fantasy in your head, where violent gangs roam the streets hunting innocent people in large numbers. The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1
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ICANT writes: If I am firing at you with my 30.06 you will be past 100 yards from me and at that distance it makes no difference how fast you can run. I can reload and fire before you cover 15 yards. But if you are marching down my street I am not going to shoot you just because you are on my street. But when you come across the sidewalk you are within 10 yards or 30 feet from my front door. That makes a lot of difference in how much amunition I might need. God Bless, The juxtaposition of the "God Bless" and the preceding statements just makes me shake my head. I'm sure you read your Bible but do you pay any attention to what Jesus actually says?Try the beatitudes or maybe His statement that"he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" just for starters. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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GDR writes: I'm sure you read your Bible but do you pay any attention to what Jesus actually says? They know Jesus meant well, but they prefer to do what they think Jesus would do if he were in possession of all the facts. I call these folks "Old Testament Christians"--Prosperity Christians, Death Penalty Christians, etc. What Jesus required is hard...too hard. It's easier to stick with an eye for an eye, and to keep throwing stones"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1
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Omnivorous writes: They know Jesus meant well, but they prefer to do what they think Jesus would do if he were in possession of all the facts. I call these folks "Old Testament Christians"--Prosperity Christians, Death Penalty Christians, etc. What Jesus required is hard...too hard. It's easier to stick with an eye for an eye, and to keep throwing stones I have to wonder what kind of Christianity doesn't at least make an attempt to follow Christ. It seems that they simply make Him up in their own image which involves a mixture of the Bible, their nationalism, their politics and their sense of wanting to belong to an identifiable group. All of this requires a total misuse and understanding of the Scriptures that we call the Bible. It is, IMHO, important to read and understand the OT in order to understand who Jesus was and what He was about in His Jewish context, but to in order to understand what God was doing in the OT we have to look at it through the lens of Jesus.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Theo,
Theodoric writes: You do realize laws have changed since 1792. Your definition does not come from the Constitution but from laws passed in 1792. One of those laws And if you had read a couple of paragraphs down you would find that the 2 Militia Acts along with their 2 amendments were done away with in 1903.
quote: You do realize the Militia Acts of 1792 were a pair of statutes enacted by the second United States Congress in 1792. They were not and never have been a part of the Constitution as well as the act of 1903. But when the National Guard was formed all Militia's were replaced , leaving the States without Militia's. Now can you name me one State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Are you really this dense?
You are destroying your own arguments.
Now can you name me one State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training? As you stated previously in this same post, this was replaced by the militia act of 1903. The definition you use is no longer legally valid.
You do realize the Militia Acts of 1792 were a pair of statutes enacted by the second United States Congress in 1792. They were not and never have been a part of the Constitution as well as the act of 1903.
Yes, do you? Your definition is not in the Constitution so what is your point?
Now can you name me one State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training? How could I name something that by definition does not exist? Edited by Theodoric, : own not wonFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi No,
NoNukes writes: Can you name me 1 State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training? That is what constitutes a State Militia. Nonsense. What is nonsense is that you keep telling me the National Guard is the State's Militia's, therefore the State's do not need a Militia. That is the same as the Fox guarding the hen house. But if it is just nonsence you should be able to name at least 1 State that has a Militia that is composed of all the men 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training. There are armed Citizens in several State's that meet many times each year for training. So Militia's do exist they just are not sanctioned by anyone other than the people which the government is supposed to be the servant of. You and others here seem to think the government is "of the goverment, by the government, and for the government. Which is not what the Constitution says. The government has no authority to do anything that the people do not allow them to do, according to the Constitution. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
What is nonsense is that you keep telling me the National Guard is the State's Militia's, therefore the State's do not need a Militia. Just read that sentence about 5 times and let it sink in. The states DO have a militia.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The government has no authority to do anything that the people do not allow them to do, according to the Constitution. And the people allowed them to regulate the militia. As shown by the various militia laws. You want militias to exist outside of a legal framework. This is treasonous.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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