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Jon Inactive Member
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It is about setting a precedent for others to follow for the safety of all. Just like insurancing your car. Interestingly, car insurance doesn't make anyone safer.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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The fear of confiscation is pure gun nut fantasy. Because history has shown us that governments never confiscate guns; obviously...Love your enemies!
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Eli Member (Idle past 3513 days) Posts: 274 Joined:
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car insurance doesn't make anyone safer That's the aspect of what I wrote that you want to challenge? I'll give it to you. Car incurance does not intrinsically make anyone safer. Now what? Care to address the point?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Because history has shown us that governments never confiscate guns; obviously...
Provide historical examples and lets analyze them and compare those political systems against the USA.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Jon Inactive Member |
WOOT!
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CoolBeans Member (Idle past 3636 days) Posts: 196 From: Honduras Joined: |
THE NUMBER OF POSTS IS TO DAMN HIGH!!!!!!!!!!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
No need to follow Jon's bad example. If you think the thread has gone on too long, just ignore it.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Faith,
Instead of jeering how about you do as I request.
Provide historical examples and lets analyze them and compare those political systems against the USA. Oh you can't? Why am I not surprised?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Jon writes: Interestingly, car insurance doesn't make anyone safer. Except, of course, it does. Drive your car recklessly, and you will accumulate a record that drives your insurance rates to stratospheric levels. Many a foot has eased off their pedals after their owners' insurance rates went sky high. Financial penalties are the purest form of 21st century negative reinforcement. As I once observed to a friend, if cars were gods, we'd see the tens of thousands of lives we sacrificed to them every year more clearly, and we'd all be pedestrian Satanic rebels. So it is with guns. If we had to line up all the men, women and children killed by guns every year as we sustain our Wild West gun culture, and had to shoot them in the head en masse in public ceremony, gun control laws would pass tomorrow. You are, of course, free to disagree. But don't do it with blinders on."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Jon Inactive Member
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Drive your car recklessly, and you will accumulate a record that drives your insurance rates to stratospheric levels. Many a foot has eased off their pedals after their owners' insurance rates went sky high. But that's not car insurance; that's the fear of car insurance. Quite a different thing.
If we had to line up all the men, women and children killed by guns every year as we sustain our Wild West gun culture, and had to shoot them in the head en masse in public ceremony, gun control laws would pass tomorrow. Of course; the fear of guns will do just that: get you knee-jerk, freedom-quenching legislation passed in the blink of an eye.Love your enemies!
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
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Don't we already register our cars? So what was your point? Wow did that one ever fly over your head.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Interestingly, car insurance doesn't make anyone safer.
But Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, (MADD), has reduced auto fatalities from a previous average of 50,000/annually to 25,000/annually, illustrating that the Death Penalty would do like wise for the murder rates.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, (MADD), has reduced auto fatalities from a previous average of 50,000/annually to 25,000/annually, illustrating that the Death Penalty would do like wise for the murder rates. The logic here is not intuitively obvious. Could you fill in the gaps to make your argument more explicit? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3842 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The logic here is not intuitively obvious. Could you fill in the gaps to make your argument more explicit?
... intuitively...? That has been the basis for people here, intuitively telling us that they know guns are the solutuon to murder. The Logical/Mathematic Facts are that swift, immediate, well advertised and known death sentences to killers stop murders. The Logical/Mathematic Facts are that swift, immediate, well advertised and known prison sentences to drunk drivers stop auto accidents.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The Logical/Mathematic Facts are that swift, immediate, well advertised and known death sentences to killers stop murders. Exactly as I expected from you. Logic full of gaping holes. Thanks for obliging me. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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