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Author Topic:   The Problems with Genesis: A Christian Evolutionist's View
kofh2u
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Message 182 of 200 (692917)
03-08-2013 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by New Cat's Eye
03-08-2013 12:19 PM


Re: truth...
The one's I've be mentioning. Have you not been paying attention? Do you need me to quote myself back to you?
Yes, I need to read exactly what you say I am saying so I can understand what your complaint against that is.
This nonsense about how little you think of me, based on whatever you may have said to others means nothing.

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kofh2u
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Message 183 of 200 (692920)
03-08-2013 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by ringo
03-08-2013 11:36 AM


Re: ... truth... the image of Reality
So you definitely are saying that there is an Absolute Reality.
Of course not.
That would be grammatically redundant.

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kofh2u
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Message 185 of 200 (693140)
03-11-2013 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by ringo
03-11-2013 12:23 PM


Re: ... truth... the image of Reality
"Large elephant" is redundant but it's also true.
What you are describing definitely is an absolute reality, a reality which is "beyond" what can be observed.
You are entitled to inaist upon ignorance here, but even elephants come in small, large, and larger whereas Truth only comes in NOT false, and Reality is ONLY what actually exists.
There are NOT two kinds of Truth nor two types of Reality.

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kofh2u
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Message 187 of 200 (693166)
03-11-2013 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by ringo
03-11-2013 1:03 PM


Re: ... truth... the image of Reality
There's the truth and reality that we can agree on - such as the existence of France -
and then there's the "truth" and "reality" inside your head.
There is Truth and there is Reality.
There is no degree of either.
Things either exist or they do not and are not real.
Things are either true or they are not, regardkless of have close to being true the erroneous concept may be.
In one's head, the spirit of mind could be true or false.
But there is never Reality in your head.
Reality is always "out there."
Reality is out there, where your seven senses tell you about it.
You construct an image that you believe corresponds to that real thing out there.
If you are wise, you do so using the Scientific Method.
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God is all there is, ie; Reality itself... the whole external existence beyond our mind is the almighty God to which all life must bow:
...Truth inside our head, is the Holy Spirit, the image of God, almighty Reality, and is present inside our mind when our thinking correctly images the TRUTH, or the picture of Reality inside our mind.
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TRINITY:
Our (1) Lord is Truth, in whose (2) Spirit of mind we must commit our lives, in order to face (3) Father Nature, the Almighty Reality, within which we all exist.

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kofh2u
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Message 193 of 200 (693302)
03-13-2013 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by ringo
03-12-2013 12:19 PM


Re: ... truth... the image of Reality
kofh2u writes:
There is Truth and there is Reality.
There is no degree of either.
Things either exist or they do not and are not real.
Things are either true or they are not, regardkless of have close to being true the erroneous concept may be.
ringo:
You are describing something that is absolute.
Hahaaaaa....
That is exactly why I said you are being redundant to say absolute Reality or absolute Truth.
Both concepts are already absolutes.

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kofh2u
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Message 194 of 200 (693303)
03-13-2013 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by New Cat's Eye
03-12-2013 11:19 AM


dumb stuff...
1) So we've got all these Jews, who according to your ideas, were tricked by god into believing that the Bible says a bunch of stuff that it doesn't really mean.
2) This complete ruse by your god has cost them their place in eternity just so that god's message can be kept secret until you come along and figure it all out. I don't see how you can respect that?
Now we can get on the same page and analyze the nonsense you post here.
1) How difficult was it for the Jews to recognize that the bible says don't act like the fornicating, women chasing, sexually promiscuous neighboring pagan societies that had to abort the fatherless babies that resulted from such behaviors?
2) What kind of trick is played on people when the real story is told to them, but in a way they can grasp at the time?
People trick themselves by faith in some guys interpretation of the story which they defend religiously, long after it is clear he was full of crap.
That seems to be a way for God to demonstrated how arrogant and dumb people are, fixed in their mind and ready to crucify anyone who even tries to correct what they foolishly bought into from some other men.

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kofh2u
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Posts: 1162
From: phila., PA
Joined: 04-05-2004


Message 197 of 200 (693343)
03-14-2013 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by ringo
03-14-2013 11:47 AM


Re: ... truth... the image of Reality
There's nothing redundant about it. What you call Reality, a "reality" that includes God, is an absolute reality. But a reality that is based on a consensus of perception is an approximate reality, so it's important to make the distinction.
Ringo,...
Let's stop talking to each other,... OK?
I can't keep telling you the same thing again and again, only to have you return with attempts to cloud the simplest ideas.
I already offered you the opportunity to accept that peoples' concensus or perspectives or personal insights have zero to do with Reality, which is what exists,... whether people exist or not.
"The Problems with Genesis: A Christian Evolutionist's View" is that nitwits still insist on accepting ancient, medieval archaic, pre-modern science interpretations of the Bible.
Once we understand that Truth is Lord for men trapped inside the Almighty Reality that has all power over them, Genesis makes sense.
This is because Empirical Science exposes The Truth wuhich is the image of that ever unfolding Reality that sires Truth in the first place.

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