|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
Author | Topic: Gun Control Again | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Can someone explain how these two positions can rationally occupy the same worldview? They can't. That is why it is an irrational world view. I truly believe the crazy conspiracy people are trying to take over.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What is the need for your uncivil accusatory tone? Good grief.
Well, public sentiment seems to be turning in that direction, and even a "scholarly" paper I encountered somewhere, wonder if I can find it, that simply declares the Second Amendment outdated, and the Constitution itself. That's like groundwork for doing it in altogether if such ideas are pursued. There's enough popular opposition at the moment but give it time.
So you cite a paper which you don't even have available as a source for fear mongering. Is it POSSIBLE for you or others here to speak in a decent civil manner giving just a tad of benefit of the doubt or is that just beyond you? Yes I can probably find the paper, although it might not be easy, what's the need for the accusatory condemnatory attitude? It was written by a Jesuit professor at some University in the East, Georgetown perhaps, or Fordham. Do you really want me to dig it up?
Which is moot in todays, day and age. You having these weapons is not going to prevent a tyrannical government from taking place. You participating in an democratic elective government will. This democratic elective government is turning into something else these days, perhaps you haven't noticed. And that is exactly what the founders anticipated, that government CAN turn into somethng tyrannical no matter how well intentioned its beginnings.
Those who buy into this ploy ARE siding with the oppressors and tyrants and they've sure done a good job of propagandizing you and the others here. WAKE UP.
You have no idea what my beliefs and philosophy on gun control are. Anyone who would talk to me as you did, in such condemnatory tones as if I am blaming the victims of murderers by saying that the gun control push comes from tyrants and oppressors, is on the wrong side of this no matter what side you think you are on.
Pretty telling and hypocritical coming from some who doesn't own a weapon telling someone who actually does own one and who has fired some of the most lethal weapons out how they are wrong about gun regulations. Your ignorance and self-righteous bigotry astounds me. Just LISTEN TO YOURSELF. What have I said or done to deserve such an attitude? Get off your moral high horse and see if it's possible to be a human being. I've said NOTHING to deserve being talked to like this,.
Seems to me that the energy behind this push is some kind of demonstration that the powers that be don't like the idea of being confronted by an armed household or neighborhood despite all their advanced weaponry. Another argument for keeping our guns
So you want to play with the big boys. So the case you are building is that even assault rifles and the like are not enough. Why not the average citizen own bazookas, missile launchers, 25mm gun emplacements and the like in their front yard. If you want to play war with the US military there is no hold barred for the 2nd Amendment. Your point is ridiculous. You are no match for the US military unless you have all the weapons at the US military's disposal including nuclear weapons. We did this with other countries and it did not work, it was called the arms race. It is a never ending proliferation of weapons. What makes you think it will work with US citizen Smith vs the US military? What on EARTH are you talking about? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
What if the government wanted to take sides with the inner cities and the Unions, rising up against the rural and suburban Americans and simply "nationalizing" all property by force? So all people from the inner city and unions (police, fireman, teachers,) etc want to take away there own rights and become zombies of the federal government. Is that what you are stating? Might as well say any one who is not a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, Muslim and black-hating, American Citizen is an enemy to the US Constitution and of the US itself. Let's just keep going down this delusional conspiracy theory road. Weapons for resistance. What resistance. There would be no resistance to the US military if they sided against you. You are delusional to think otherwise. 115 naval ships, thousands of nucler weapons, etc, etc, etc to bomb you from here to kingdom come. Preventing this is the fact that we are law-abiding US citizens who love our countries and have families who are US citizens that we love. No amount of weaponry you have would make a difference unless you had the same weaponry as the US military. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
What is the need for your uncivil accusatory tone? Good grief. Good grief? I have tried to be civil, you are the one that said WAKE UP and I chose to ignore it. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Is it POSSIBLE for you or others here to speak in a decent civil manner giving just a tad of benefit of the doubt or is that just beyond you? Yes I can probably find the paper, although it might not be easy, what's the need for the accusatory condemnatory attitude? It was written by a Jesuit professor at some University in the East, Georgetown perhaps, or Fordham. Do you really want me to dig it up? Give respect and you will get respect. Or is that too Christian of you.
Do you really want me to dig it up? Do I want you to back up your assertions. Let me see. How about YES.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All that because I said "Wake up?" Wow. Talk about a handgun against a nuclear weapon.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
All that because I said "Wake up?" Wow. Talk about a handgun against a nuclear weapon. You know nothing about me Faith. Again, your self-righteous, condescending nature shows through.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
|
What if the government wanted to take sides with the inner cities and the Unions, rising up against the rural and suburban Americans and simply "nationalizing" all property by force? I think the Union members in the iron mines of RURAL northern Minnesota would have a problem with you claiming rural people cannot be union people. I am in rural WI, we are strong union here, also polls will show a strong majority of people here and throughout the nation support more gun controls. You are a hatemonger. Why don't you take your hate to where it belongs, like The Blaze and Redstate.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've lost your mind.
I'll see if I can find the paper.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Just LISTEN TO YOURSELF. What have I said or done to deserve such an attitude? Get off your moral high horse and see if it's possible to be a human being. I've said NOTHING to deserve being talked to like this,. How about you listen to yourself? You come on here condescending anyone who disagrees with you. Telling them to wake up. How do you think a person is going to react. Really?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined:
|
You've lost your mind. No Faith, you never say anything derogatory. You never demean anyone on here. Only everyone else is crazy, demeaning, spiteful, vindictive etc.
Faith writes: I'm sure it's only toilet paper to the idiot Left. What kind of screaming craziness is this? You are also again indulging in stupid strawmannism Unlike you and other irrational polyannas This is where you guys are SO naive. Just the usual posturing blathering saying absolutely nothing. You're the halfwit masquerading as intelligent. What a laugh. etc, etc. Pot calling kettle much? OR if you prefer Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given."It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Handgun to nuclear weapon: cool it please. If you're that sensitive I'll try to be nicer, but I really don't see that anything I said deserved the barrage I got from you.
NEVERTHELESS I'll try to be nicer. Meanwhile here's the information on the Professor who suggested trashing the Constitution just because he thinks we don't need it any more, it's outdated and so on. I'm a little surprised this isn't already well known but anyway here's the info. He is Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law yet, at Georgetown University:
Seidman’s piece at the NYTimes Video of Seidman denouncing the Constitution And a couple of Google pages showing what seems to me to be growing popular sentiment against the Constitution and the Second Amendment in particular:
Google page Second Amendment outdated Google page Constitution outdatedHe who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
NEVERTHELESS I'll try to be nicer. Whatever dude.
He is Louis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law yet, at Georgetown University: I will read and get back to you. Must go to bed to get up at 3am.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Look, I could go back through this thread and find all the derogatory nasty accusations against me and those on my side, but I don't care enough. We've regularly been called insane, "gun nuts," and accused of disregarding the victims of murderers just as you accused me. And that's all I can remember off the top of my head. You haven't noticed? But you want me, one of what, five or six on this thread who share my opinion, to avoid all remarks of that sort against our opponents? Really, DA, you have no sense of proportion. Or you're just so hypersensitive one must walk on eggs around you.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3123 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Before I leave for the night I will leave a quote and see if you can find the author. In a gist, the author states that basically the US Constitution is a man-made document subject to fallacy and able to be amended and revised by each living generation. The Constitution is a living document and has changed through amendments through US history.
Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be, indeed, if every form of government were so perfectly contrived, that the will of the majority could always be obtained, fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves; their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils, bribery corrupts them, personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents; and other impediments arise, so as to prove to every practical man, that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal. "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024