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Author Topic:   Wasteful Intelligent Design
New Cat's Eye
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Message 4 of 43 (693663)
03-19-2013 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by GrimSqueaker
03-19-2013 7:00 AM

I don't bur if we were to


If we accept (I don't bur if we were to) that the universe as it stands and all within it are the process of design, of which the production of higher mammals namely Humans is the intended end result why is it so vast and impossibly wasteful?

There's a lot of conditions that have to line up to some relatively tight specs in order for something like humans to evolve. Seems like if you take 1 and divide it by those odds, you're gonna need something really big to ensure that it does happen somewhere.

The universe is about 14 billion years old, Earth just over 4.5 Billion..... Yet Humans as a clear race have only existed about 200,000 years - I'm not an engineer but that seems ludicrously wasteful


I doubt we're the only sentient beings that have emerged. Without knowing who else is out there its hard to figure up how wasteful it really is.

And you could look at it the other way, how damn special are we!? I mean, even godlessly, we're still incredibly rare.

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Message 6 of 43 (693670)
03-19-2013 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by GrimSqueaker
03-19-2013 10:53 AM

Bur is a typo (damn iPhone it's surely the devils tool) I had meant to say "but", as in I am not a creationist BUT if we can accept their premise for a
Moment etc etc

Maybe you should wait until you're in front of a proper keyboard before replying

My personal opinion is that the universe is random, without intelligent purpose
And entirely wonderful :-) we are a rather nifty fluke.

I consider ourselves an inevitability rather than a fluke, given the right conditions. Chemical reactions are spontaneous so they're gonna happen whether you want it or not.

BUT (and again there is that but) I'd like to hear a creationist explanation for all the waste - preferribly not "god works
In mysterious ( [sic] and breath takingly cruel and wasteful) ways

You probably should have addressed it to Creationists rather than mentioning Intelligent Design.

ABE: Oh, hey, if you reply directly to a post, with the button on the bottom right of the post, rather than using the General Reply button at the top, then it'll link the posts together and also send out an email notification to the person you're replying to.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE

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Message 13 of 43 (693835)
03-20-2013 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by onifre
03-19-2013 8:25 PM

Which supports a natural process rather than design.

Assuming the designer didn't use natural processes...

We're not. Here on Earth there are plenty of sentient beings.

If the question is the emergence of a species as highly developed as ours, or further advanced, I've always been doubtful.

Oh, yeah, I meant like us. I don't have any reason to doubt there's others. Given the sheer size of it all, its seems inevitable that there are.

You really think Earth is the only planet with highly intelligent life on it?

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