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kofh2u
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Message 16 of 24 (693477)
03-15-2013 11:15 PM
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03-15-2013 10:19 PM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
KOFH2u:
Second, the poor blurred graphis does NOT say "adam," but to "Adah," who corresponds to Early Homo erectus.
MODERATEOR extraodinare':
Okay, Adah. On the one hand you claim that the giants of the Bible are Homo erectus, and on the other you claim that Adah and Methuslelah are Homo erectus. They can't both be Homo erectus, so which is it?
Yes they CAN BOTH be Homo erectus, since there were two co-existing kinds of Homo erecti.
Homo ergaster
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homo ergaster
Temporal range: Pleistocene, 1.8—1.3Ma
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Skull KNM-ER 3733 discovered by Bernard Ngeneo in 1975 (Kenya)
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: H. ergaster [aka early Homo erectus]
Homo ergaster
Groves and Mazk, 1975
Homo ergaster (also "African Homo erectus") is an extinct chronospecies of Homo that lived in eastern and southern Africa during the early Pleistocene, between 1.8 million and 1.3 million years ago.
There is still disagreement on the subject of the classification, ancestry, and progeny of H. ergaster,...
... but \[B\]it is now widely accepted (Homo ergaster) to be the direct ancestor of later hominids such as Homo heidelbergensis, Homo sapiens, and Homo neanderthalensis AND Asian Homo erectus.
You seem to be in need of this thread and fail, imho, to be qualified to decide whether I know what I am talking about or not.
Note again for clarity, that African Homo erectus is diferent from Asian Homo Erectus is evidenced in that the former is usually called Ergaster.
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kofh2u
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Message 17 of 24 (693478)
03-15-2013 11:25 PM
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03-15-2013 10:19 PM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
All this discussion between you and myself dmonstrates that this is a thread which others need participate in...
Super Moderator extraordinare:
What all this discussion actually demonstrates is the remarkable difficulty you are having coming up with evidence supporting your claims associating Biblical beings and persons with ancestral hominid species. Do you have evidence from archeological digs? Radiometric dating? Paleontological finds at Biblical sites? What?
Why????
Why in the devil would I need more evidence than that which the paleontologists have dug up, to show that the ascent to modern man was through 22 kinds of links from the first Adam to appear on Earth, since my ONLY point is that the Bible says this is so.
The scientist have come up with the evidence that agrees with he 22 names of creatures mentioned in the Genesis genealogy, though they have called them their own names.
THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN WHAT SCIENCE SAYS TODAY AND THE BIBLE SAID IN 1362BC IS ONE-TO ONE:
Book:
The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans
by G.J.Sawyer, (Author)

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Message 18 of 24 (693490)
03-16-2013 9:08 AM
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03-15-2013 10:54 PM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
kofh2u writes:
Do you also agree that all these other species disappeared in the last 40,000 years?
nd are you willing to acknowledge that all men living today carry the Y-chromosome of just one man who could correspond with this Noah whose three sons could be what is the scienice theory of Three Racial Stocks????
These issues have nothing to do with the questions I've been asking.
Threads arguing positions that lack evidence and/or contain contradictions won't be promoted. The thread proposal process exists to remove these kinds of problems before discussion begins. You can continue to argue issues I haven't raised, but until you address the issues I have raised your thread cannot be promoted. Here's a cut-n-paste of the questions from my previous message:
And getting back to the original question that was an example of the kind of evidence you need, whoever you decide is really Homo erectus, what is the supporting evidence?
All this discussion between you and myself dmonstrates that this is a thread which others need participate in...
What all this discussion actually demonstrates is the remarkable difficulty you are having coming up with evidence supporting your claims associating Biblical beings and persons with ancestral hominid species. Do you have evidence from archeological digs? Radiometric dating? Paleontological finds at Biblical sites? What?
The thread proposal process cannot go on indefinitely. If my concerns aren't begun to be addressed soon then I'll have to consider closing this proposal.
AbE: I see now that you posted three replies, not just the one. I'm looking at the other replies now.
Edited by Admin, : AbE.

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Message 19 of 24 (693491)
03-16-2013 9:22 AM
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03-15-2013 11:15 PM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
Hi Kofh2u,
You seem to have misunderstood me. I was pointing out a logical error. Let me state it differently.
You originally claimed that the giants of the Bible were Homo erectus. You later claimed through a diagram that Adah and Methuslelah were Homo erectus (the Homo egaster distinction is irrelevant to the logical contradiction). So if the giants of the Bible were a different species than Adah and Methuslelah, how can they all be Homo erectus?
But the bigger problem is that you have not presented any evidence connecting the personages and beings of the Bible to specific ancestral hominid species. Until you give some indication that your position has at least some supporting evidence your proposal cannot be promoted.

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Message 20 of 24 (693492)
03-16-2013 9:31 AM
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03-15-2013 11:25 PM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
Hi Kofh2u,
This is going on too long, so let's keep this simple by focusing on just one hominid from your diagram:
Please present your evidence that Adam was a Sahelanthropus tchadensis.

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Message 21 of 24 (693506)
03-16-2013 2:23 PM
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03-16-2013 9:31 AM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
Please present your evidence that Adam was a Sahelanthropus tchadensis.
Easy...
Science and the Bible both say that the first evolution from apes was the first fo the 22 now extinct species of humans that lead to the three racial stocks that further developed into us, the people living today.
Hence, as the best guesses of Paleontogy and Theology, that would be Sahelanthropus tchadensis.
Sahelanthropus tchadensis | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
Sahelanthropus tchadensis is one of the oldest known species in the human family tree. This species lived sometime between 7 and 6 million years ago in West-Central Africa (Chad).

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Message 22 of 24 (693507)
03-16-2013 2:31 PM
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03-16-2013 9:22 AM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
You seem to have misunderstood me. I was pointing out a logical error. Let me state it differently.
You originally claimed that the giants of the Bible were Homo erectus. You later claimed through a diagram that Adah and Methuslelah were Homo erectus (the Homo egaster distinction is irrelevant to the logical contradiction). So if the giants of the Bible were a different species than Adah and Methuslelah, how can they all be Homo erectus?
?
1) The proper spelling is Ergaster, not egaster.
2) The chart identified Homo ergaster as the partner in a hybridization with the more advanced Modern Homo erectus.
This sounds very very reasonable, in that these two DIFFERENT species where closely related, in fact Ergaster is often referred to a African Homo erectus, from which a more advance Modern Asian Homo erectus was derived.
You seem to be having difficult with the facts as presented and perhaps are a little behind in your Paleontology, so maybe you ought stop the inquisition and just let others who may be way more knowledgeable in these things debate and inquire of me on a less bias attempt to find so picayune inconsistency in what I set forth???

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Message 23 of 24 (693516)
03-16-2013 5:15 PM


Hi Kofh2u,
We don't seem to be making any progress so I'm going to close this thread proposal.

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03-19-2013 8:55 PM


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Thread copied to the Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread thread in the Free For All forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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