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Phat
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Message 5 of 27 (694614)
03-26-2013 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by GrimSqueaker
03-25-2013 7:44 AM


Fuzzy Math
To me it makes no sense that Creator+Creation is greater than the Creator. This would pan out as saying essentially that creation, by itself...is great. which is not my belief. Creation without a creator simply has no value.
John 1:3(NIV)
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
An added flaw in your theory is that you state that Y could be expanded infinitely. Perhaps matter could be expanded infinitely in theory, but life? No way. For a believer, Life is "In Him". A believer rejoices at being made alive in Christ. Life only exists because of a Creator of all seen and unseen.
An unbeliever, in contrast, declares that I Am regardless. I live, and thus I have value.
A believer pays homage to the Creator of life, while an unbeliever tends to deify self by virtue of being alive.
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Phat
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Message 13 of 27 (694698)
03-27-2013 12:04 PM
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03-27-2013 4:57 AM


Intellect In A Box
Grim writes:
I'll leave it at can the god hypothesis be quantified in any way, can we assign attributes or anything else...
Any "God" hypothesis can be added to or expanded. Humans by nature never want to feel limited or constrained as to their free thought.
If god has ANY property is it conceivable that anything else can exceed him in this property, knowledge, power etc
Again...of course. Humans even go so far as to assert that surely something had to "create" God...we simply refuse to have our intellect stopped by an eternally existing uncaused first cause. Evidently we imagine that since we ourselves can conceive of a first cause beyond an asserted first cause that our hypotheticals should be allowed to be potential actuals. Funny how we refuse to let God put our intellects in a box, isnt it?

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Message 15 of 27 (694703)
03-27-2013 12:31 PM
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03-27-2013 12:19 PM


Concepts Of Omni and Infinity
Humans are limited in our conceptions of time, space, logic, and reality. If I could hypothetically make a rock heavier than I could lift, the rock would become a static creation. It would weigh more than my maximum capability With God, the equation differs. Can God make a rock that exceeds His capability? Yes...and No. One instant He could create such a rock. The next instant He himself could exceed the rock. In essence, the magnitude of the rock is Gods imagined magnitude of that moment. God always exceeds Himself and yet is never exceeded. Such is the quirks of infinite omnipotence.

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