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GrimSqueaker
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Message 1 of 27 (694603)
03-25-2013 7:44 AM


Mathematically Disproving an External Independent All Powerful God
I reckon it's possible to disprove some types of God, of course God is a tricky thing to tie down so I am going to put some parameters on the type of God I'm disproving. For the purpose of this discussion I will assign God the following attributes;
- God is the greatest thing imaginable
- Nothing can exist that is Greater than God
- God is completely independent of all things and an unique entity in it's own right
With these parameters it would be logical to assume that if something could be found of equal or greater value than God that would nullify this particular God as one of his essential attributes is to be greater than anything else.
So;
Let X = God, with the essential propertyFor X to exist it must be greater than anything else
Now Let Y = Everything that is not God, for the purposes of this demonstration Y is every physical thing currently in existence -
But Y could be reduced to a single blade of Grass or expanded infinitely.
Now with those parameters set let's set up phase two,
X is greater than Y
X is equal to X and nothing else
In order for X to exist nothing can be equal to or greater than X
Y has a value greater than zero
And the proof;
X+ Y > X
Of course this only counts for an external independent all powerful God, a God that is an intrinsic part of everything or is not all powerful can not be tackled in this manner - polytheists and pagans etc will not fall to this logic but I am very curious to see how monotheists handle it

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GrimSqueaker
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From: Ireland
Joined: 03-15-2013


Message 10 of 27 (694684)
03-27-2013 4:57 AM


Hmmmmm all very interesting points, This was a bit of an experiment - I thought trying to simplify things to a basic equation would be gun and novel, turns out you guys don't like equations.
I still think there is a fun illustration and imagination exercise in trying to quantify a god, set parameters and then smash them. I could go a lot more silly with this and I think (bur I'm totally gonna get blasted for thinking this way) it is still quote interesting.
I'm gonna try use words instead of maths, and I am probably only gonna make it even sillier but try bare with me;
If god has ANY property is it conceivable that anything else can exceed him in this property, knowledge, power etc
Is there a way to add to this property, and if there is why does that do to our thought model.
I was gonna use a really ridiculous example cause I don't wanna get drawn into a debate on an example and miss what could be a really interesting discussion with both sides working together - but I'm probably hoping for too much. So I'll leave it at can the god hypothesis be quantified in any way, can we assign attributes or anything else

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GrimSqueaker
Member (Idle past 3716 days)
Posts: 137
From: Ireland
Joined: 03-15-2013


Message 12 of 27 (694688)
03-27-2013 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by NoNukes
03-27-2013 7:38 AM


There is a major difference with my stance and a creationist one - I'm delighted to be wrong, I'm finding all the replies here really fascinating and I'm learning lots. In a similar vein i was recently invited to join ToastMasters, my first meeting is in a few weeks and I've no doubt I'll fail spectacularly - but that's a cool experience for me and I'm ok with it.
Edit : and I was being superfluous and coloical when I said you guys don't like equations, im sure some of you are very fond of them and far more knowlegible about them than I am
Edited by GrimSqueaker, : No reason given.

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