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lpetrich
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Message 49 of 80 (69131)
11-25-2003 1:27 AM


Looking at baraminology / "discontinuity systematics", it's clearly a ripoff of cladistics.
Consider a baramin to be a kind of taxon:
holobaramin (plain baramin) -- monophyletic taxon (only one legitimate in cladistics)
monobaramin -- monophyletic or paraphyletic taxon
apobaramin, polybaramin -- polyphyletic or paraphyletic taxon
The tough part is how creationists decide what groups of organisms descend from some specially-created ancestor; they have a variety of opinions -- and a curious lack of interest in resolving their differences. Wayne Frair seems to think that turtles are 4 or 5 baramins, while Hugh Ross seems to think that all of the ~260 present-day turtle species, and also the numerous extinct ones, are separate baramins.

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lpetrich
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Message 51 of 80 (69518)
11-27-2003 12:22 AM


Turtle Baramins?
Hugh Ross apparently believes that each species is a baramin. Which has the consequence that every turtle species is a baramin -- a view very different from Wayne Frair's.
One has to wonder what kind of "science" creationism is, when its advocates prefer to evade issues like this rather than confront them. By contrast, mainstream evolutionary biologists often compare different proposed phylogenies. This proposal for sequencing chloroplast genomes discusses a variety of different hypotheses for the relationships of various groups of plants, like:
  • Which bryophytes (mosses, liverworts, hornworts) are closest to the vascular plants?
  • Relationships of non-lycopsid pteridophytes (fern-like plants other than club mosses)
  • Relationships of the five major groups of present-day seed plants (cycads, Ginkgo, conifers, gnetophytes, angiosperms)
  • Clarification of the earliest branchings among the angiosperms

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lpetrich
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Message 55 of 80 (75174)
12-26-2003 1:39 AM


Brad McFall vs. George Francis Gillette
Brad McFall continues to be unintelligible -- and without the fun of George Francis Gillette, whose "spiral universe" with its "backscrewing theory of gravity" "out-Newton's Newton". His book Orthodox Oxen ("there is no ox so dumb as the orthodox") is free of "hi-de-hi mathematics" and is "bristling with new axioms" -- and contains illustrations of "The all cosmos doughnut" and a "Laminated, solid, solid, solid, solid." More GFG:
Each ultimote is simultaneously an integral part of zillions of otherplane units and only thus is its infinite allplane velocity and energy subdivided into zillions of finite planar quotas of velocity and energy.
All motions ever strive to go straight--until they bump.
In all the cosmos there is naught but straight-flying bumping, caroming, and again straight flying. Phenomena are but lumps, jumps, and bumps. A mass unit's career is but lumping, jumping, bumping, rejumping, rebumping, and finally unlumping.
Gravitation is the kicked back nut of the screwing bolt of radiation.
Gravitation and backscrewing are synonymous. All mass units are solar systems...of interscrewed subunits.
Gravitation is naught but that reaction in the form of subplanar solar systems screwing through higher plane masses.

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