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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 121 of 373 (695774)
04-09-2013 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Coyote
04-08-2013 11:25 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
So, Coy, if you are an expert bone picker you expect the cat to take your opinions as gospel? Listen, mate, the Cheshire does not care for the YEC agenda but he cares even less for you lot's bigbangist creationist one. The legends and depictions show persistent uniformity and correspondence to later palaeontological reconstructions of the beasts. Were the mythologists better skilled bone-pickers than yourself? What kind of beasts St. George and his simian buddies really massacred?
Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 122 of 373 (695778)
04-09-2013 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Dr Adequate
04-08-2013 7:25 PM


Inadequate, we had a thread where it was clearly established that you lot are creationists, remember?
ICANT was the only one who repudiated the creationist teachings of Krauss and Hawking you base your beliefs on. Both luminaries hold all atoms could be created by nothing. Do we need to return to that?

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1.61803
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Message 123 of 373 (695779)
04-09-2013 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 9:00 AM


Re: Still no dragon bones
Alfred Maddenstien writes:
What kind of beasts St. George and his simian buddies really massacred?
Maybe it was one of Nessie's cousins.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Coyote
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Message 124 of 373 (695788)
04-09-2013 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 9:00 AM


Re: Still no dragon bones
So, Coy, if you are an expert bone picker you expect the cat to take your opinions as gospel? Listen, mate, the Cheshire does not care for the YEC agenda but he cares even less for you lot's bigbangist creationist one. The legends and depictions show persistent uniformity and correspondence to later palaeontological reconstructions of the beasts. Were the mythologists better skilled bone-pickers than yourself? What kind of beasts St. George and his simian buddies really massacred?
All rhetoric, no answer to the question.
Where are the bones?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 125 of 373 (695800)
04-09-2013 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Coyote
04-09-2013 10:44 AM


Re: Still no dragon bones
Coy, are you dense or something? If dragons and dinosaurs are synonyms, then dinosaur and dragon bones is the same phenomenon.

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Message 126 of 373 (695804)
04-09-2013 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 12:06 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
Coy, are you dense or something? If dragons and dinosaurs are synonyms, then dinosaur and dragon bones is the same phenomenon.
You have just destroyed your own argument.
Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, so there was no overlap with humans.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 127 of 373 (695810)
04-09-2013 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Coyote
04-09-2013 12:15 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
No, that would hold only if we take for granted that all of your chronology is a gospel set in eternal stone. There is no need to take such a fond assumption as a gospel truth. You may have no clue about what happened last week to your neighbour yet you arrogantly assert being privy to the details of the dragon extinction. Keep your gall in check and learn a bit of humility.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 128 of 373 (695812)
04-09-2013 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 9:56 AM


Inadequate, we had a thread where it was clearly established that you lot are creationists, remember?
No. That would be one of the crazy delusions in your head. One of the many, many crazy delusions in your head.
(I am doing you the courtesy of supposing that you are insane rather than a deliberate liar.)

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Message 129 of 373 (695818)
04-09-2013 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 12:06 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
If dragons and dinosaurs are synonyms, then dinosaur and dragon bones is the same phenomenon.
But dinosaur bones are fossilized. If dragons were contemporary to humans then we would have bones that have not been fossilized... but we don't.

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Coyote
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Message 130 of 373 (695837)
04-09-2013 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 12:49 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
No, that would hold only if we take for granted that all of your chronology is a gospel set in eternal stone. There is no need to take such a fond assumption as a gospel truth. You may have no clue about what happened last week to your neighbour yet you arrogantly assert being privy to the details of the dragon extinction. Keep your gall in check and learn a bit of humility.
Your assertions, which are contradicted by a century or two of scientific evidence, are meaningless without evidence to support them.
If you doubt the chronology established by scientists from all over the world, produce evidence to the contrary. Unsupported claims are useless. And your unsupported claims do not make the evidence accumulated by scientists go away no matter how often you repeat them. For that you need evidence.
Care to provide some?
(See signature block--those lines seem most apt in your case.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 131 of 373 (695842)
04-09-2013 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by New Cat's Eye
04-09-2013 1:13 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
That does not tell much to the feline, Vatican. Fossilised simians are found too. The jury is out on this one. Pliny the Elder claimed to be dinosaurs contemporary. The cat does not see any reason to trust Coy's word on that more. It might well be that it was the simians who wiped the dragons out and not any meteor, Vatican.

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Message 132 of 373 (695843)
04-09-2013 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 4:17 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
That does not tell much to the feline, Vatican. Fossilised simians are found too.
Come on, CrazyJew, try just a little bit: Its not the presence of fossils, is the lack of bones.
We have no dinosaur or dragon bones that aren't fossilized. If they were contemporary with us then we'd find bones. But we don't, so they're not.
The jury is out on this one.
No, CrazyJew, the jury went home died of old age decades ago.
Pliny the Elder claimed to be dinosaurs contemporary.
Well fuck me sideways, it must be true!
It might well be that it was the simians who wiped the dragons out and not any meteor, Vatican.
Or maybe you're just dreaming, CrazyJew.

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Coyote
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Message 133 of 373 (695849)
04-09-2013 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-09-2013 4:17 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
That does not tell much to the feline, Vatican.
Right, you can always tell a troll, but you can't tell him much.
Fossilised simians are found too. The jury is out on this one.
Fossilized hominids are not found in the same strata as fossilized dinosaurs. You're off by nearly 65 million years.
Pliny the Elder claimed to be dinosaurs contemporary.
Pliny the Elder was wrong.
The cat does not see any reason to trust Coy's word on that more. It might well be that it was the simians who wiped the dragons out and not any meteor, Vatican.
It is not just me, it is tens of thousands of scientists, who collectively know quite a lot. They say you are wrong and you have presented no evidence to show otherwise.
Until you have evidence there is no reason for anyone to listen to a thing you say.
And the easiest evidence for you to prove the presence of dragons during historic times would be dragon bones in historic contexts.
So where are the bones?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Posts: 565
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Message 134 of 373 (695939)
04-10-2013 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Coyote
04-09-2013 5:31 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
The cat has said the dragon issue is wide open. Do you get it? Are you trying to impress the moggy with the formidable size of your congregation and the choir you sing to, Coy the Expert Choir Boy? Ooh, the Cheshire is all terrified and trembling...
Listen, the cat is ready to hear the views expressed by both creationist sects. No favours though will be granted to neo-darwinians. Their theoretical record is very poor so their credibility is compromised severely. Understand? Nor your second-hand opinions may be given advantage over those reported by Pliny and numerous others.
As to Pliny whom you are patronising here this is what he is coming back at you with: "Among these things, one thing seems certain - that nothing certain exists and that there is nothing more laughable and more presumptuous than the learned simian." Especially when his name is Coy the Expert Choir Boy, adds the Cheshire.
Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 135 of 373 (695941)
04-10-2013 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Alfred Maddenstein
04-10-2013 1:15 PM


Re: Still no dragon bones
As to Pliny whom you are patronising here this is what he is coming back at you with: "Among these things, one thing seems certain - that nothing certain exists and that there is nothing more laughable and more presumptuous that the learned simian."
That's not quite true. There's always the unlearned simian. Who pretends to be a cat.

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