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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I really like small cars. I don't even have a car. I do a lot of walking. This is no problem for me because I have really enormous feet.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1016 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
Then there is also the G-spot.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 376 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
I've never really gone with the caveman dragging the woman by the hair to his cave thing. Yeah that is not one of my preferred tactics either. I am not sure how much we can apply that fact to the behaviour or prehistoric peoples. While I am not saying that women have not always had some say in the matter they are not even considered as equals in much of the world today. How does the catholic church treat them or the Indians or the Arabs? These are examples of relatively stable modern societies and does not consider all of the inter tribal raping and pillaging that went on. I maintain that the 11 or 12 yr old girls who were having their first sex would not have had too much to say about it during the span of time when penis size was developing.
It's entire purpose appears to be to provide pleasure to the woman during sex. This indicates to me that it's there because the woman needs to consent - otherwise why have it? I think that the pleasure of sex is simply a driver for fecundity. Women who have more sex have more babies. The sensitivity of the clitoris most likely developed as a result of millennia worth of 14 yr old adolescent excitement and the need to produce an orgasm within 3 minutes of arousal.
If we accept that H. sapiens developed as social animals, rape isn't really a great tactic. I am not sure that rape is the right word. Does a dog rape a bitch that is in heat?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Proto writes: I am not sure that rape is the right word. Does a dog rape a bitch that is in heat? Does the bitch object? I have a feeling that we have a fairly naive view of how sex works in the wild. I know a while back, the deer rut was seen as a battle between dominant male stags with the one with the biggest er, antlers, winning the hareem. The female was seen as passive, accepting the winning stag as a mate. We had a 'just so' explanation for it - the most successful stag was the fittest, so his genes got passed on. Now it seems that the females are rather more canny than that, often nipping out of the rut to mate with the loser or a pssing young buck while the dominant stag's back is turned. Complicated stuff, sex.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
As the survey this is based on relied on self-reporting, we don't know whether we're looking at the evolution of penises or the evolution of honesty. The U.K. seems to be slightly more cocksure than the U.S.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hmmmmm....Lying limeys.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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vimesey Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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A chap's getting married, and decides he wants to surprise his fiance on their wedding night. One of his mates suggests he gets his wife's name tattooed on his penis, so that when he becomes aroused on the wedding night, her name will unfurl and she will be delighted.
Our man goes ahead with this, and the tattoo operation is a great success. When at rest, his penis just has a "W" and a "Y" showing, but when at full mast, it spells out "Wendy" in all its glory. The wedding comes round, and is a suitably joyous occasion, and the happy couple jet off on honeymoon to Jamaica. The wedding night comes around, and our chap's surprise is a great success - Mrs Wendy could not be more delighted. A few days later, in the hotel bar, our man has had a beer or two and pops to the toilet He's standing at the urinal, letting the beer escape, when a local comes in and stands next to him to do the same. Our chap looks down, and notices "W" and "Y" tattooed on his penis too. "Wow", he says, "there's a coincidence - your wife is called Wendy too !" "Hell no," says the local, "this says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice day" !Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ? |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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1.6etc writes:
Hmmmmm....Lying limeys. Hey, it's the Yanks that like to blow their own trumpet........if they can reach it.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Jon Inactive Member |
It would be more interesting if we had access to penis size information from before the time of clothing to compare to information from today.
Would we find an increase in penis-size variability over time as selection pressure disappears? ABE: Are there any known clothing-less cultures that might make this research possible? Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Are there any known clothing-less cultures that might make this research possible? When the Spanish missionaries reached California they found the males wore no clothes in many areas. Rather than do comparative research they were scandalized. Here is one of the few pictures that shows people unclothed:
This was done nearly 50 years after the Europeans arrived, so it's accuracy is open to question.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This was unfair, bluegenes.
I showed this map to one woman in the office, now she wants to know how many flights are leaving for Sudan today. You're going to leave us with no women. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 376 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
I have a feeling that we have a fairly naive view of how sex works in the wild. No doubt there is lots left to learn even by the people who really know but I wouldn't say that we are naive about it. One area that we ( I ) don't know a lot about is the impact of pheromones on our breeding habits. I would hazard a guess that the way a man smells has a greater impact on his ability to mate than the size of his penis. I guess my biggest objection to the idea of sexual selection is the fact that almost all members of the society become breeding members. I can see it filtering out those that are deformed, incapable or sick but, in the end, if a member is capable of breeding they will likely breed. Sexual selection would only have an impact if the preferred mate was the only one that reproduced. Then there is the fact that there are many elements that make up the preferences. So eye colour, height, strength, intelligence, demeanour , generosity and kindness would all go into the mix. It seems unlikely that minor differences in penis length would have that much impact on the entire process. I can see it limiting the extremes as others have said. So if a penis is dysfunctionally small or frighteningly large that would have an effect on the persons ability to reproduce but otherwise I think the impact would be negligible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Jon writes:
Unfortunately, in most societies clothing was invented before statistics.
It would be more interesting if we had access to penis size information from before the time of clothing to compare to information from today.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
This was done nearly 50 years after the Europeans arrived, so it's accuracy is open to question. I think the accuracy would be open to question whenever the drawing was done. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Son Goku Inactive Member |
This thread isn't as big as I expected, I've handled much bigger ones in my time on the forum. Still I have to work with what I've been given and hopefully some attention will help it grow.
I'll start at the base...
Omnivorous writes:
There's actually an interesting study which suggested that women look at genitals more than men do, men actually look at the face more. Here's a link to the study: Science proves women like men with bigger penisesPenis size does affect attractiveness Search Kinsey Institute
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