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Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 91 (695931)
04-10-2013 12:46 PM
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04-10-2013 12:35 AM


I really like small cars.
I don't even have a car. I do a lot of walking. This is no problem for me because I have really enormous feet.

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Message 17 of 91 (695932)
04-10-2013 12:46 PM
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04-10-2013 11:12 AM


Re: it matters
Then there is also the G-spot.

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Dogmafood
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Message 18 of 91 (695949)
04-10-2013 2:43 PM
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Re: it matters
I've never really gone with the caveman dragging the woman by the hair to his cave thing.
Yeah that is not one of my preferred tactics either.
I am not sure how much we can apply that fact to the behaviour or prehistoric peoples.
While I am not saying that women have not always had some say in the matter they are not even considered as equals in much of the world today. How does the catholic church treat them or the Indians or the Arabs? These are examples of relatively stable modern societies and does not consider all of the inter tribal raping and pillaging that went on. I maintain that the 11 or 12 yr old girls who were having their first sex would not have had too much to say about it during the span of time when penis size was developing.
It's entire purpose appears to be to provide pleasure to the woman during sex. This indicates to me that it's there because the woman needs to consent - otherwise why have it?
I think that the pleasure of sex is simply a driver for fecundity. Women who have more sex have more babies. The sensitivity of the clitoris most likely developed as a result of millennia worth of 14 yr old adolescent excitement and the need to produce an orgasm within 3 minutes of arousal.
If we accept that H. sapiens developed as social animals, rape isn't really a great tactic.
I am not sure that rape is the right word. Does a dog rape a bitch that is in heat?

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Message 19 of 91 (695951)
04-10-2013 3:02 PM
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04-10-2013 2:43 PM


Re: it matters
Proto writes:
I am not sure that rape is the right word. Does a dog rape a bitch that is in heat?
Does the bitch object?
I have a feeling that we have a fairly naive view of how sex works in the wild.
I know a while back, the deer rut was seen as a battle between dominant male stags with the one with the biggest er, antlers, winning the hareem. The female was seen as passive, accepting the winning stag as a mate.
We had a 'just so' explanation for it - the most successful stag was the fittest, so his genes got passed on. Now it seems that the females are rather more canny than that, often nipping out of the rut to mate with the loser or a pssing young buck while the dominant stag's back is turned.
Complicated stuff, sex.

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Message 20 of 91 (695952)
04-10-2013 3:18 PM
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04-08-2013 8:42 PM


Micro-evolution by country.
As the survey this is based on relied on self-reporting, we don't know whether we're looking at the evolution of penises or the evolution of honesty.
The U.K. seems to be slightly more cocksure than the U.S.

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Message 21 of 91 (695953)
04-10-2013 3:34 PM
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04-10-2013 3:18 PM


Re: Micro-evolution by country.
Hmmmmm....Lying limeys.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 22 of 91 (695955)
04-10-2013 4:11 PM


Old one...
A chap's getting married, and decides he wants to surprise his fiance on their wedding night. One of his mates suggests he gets his wife's name tattooed on his penis, so that when he becomes aroused on the wedding night, her name will unfurl and she will be delighted.
Our man goes ahead with this, and the tattoo operation is a great success. When at rest, his penis just has a "W" and a "Y" showing, but when at full mast, it spells out "Wendy" in all its glory.
The wedding comes round, and is a suitably joyous occasion, and the happy couple jet off on honeymoon to Jamaica. The wedding night comes around, and our chap's surprise is a great success - Mrs Wendy could not be more delighted.
A few days later, in the hotel bar, our man has had a beer or two and pops to the toilet He's standing at the urinal, letting the beer escape, when a local comes in and stands next to him to do the same. Our chap looks down, and notices "W" and "Y" tattooed on his penis too.
"Wow", he says, "there's a coincidence - your wife is called Wendy too !"
"Hell no," says the local, "this says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice day" !

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

  
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Message 23 of 91 (695957)
04-10-2013 4:30 PM
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Re: Micro-evolution by country.
1.6etc writes:
Hmmmmm....Lying limeys.
Hey, it's the Yanks that like to blow their own trumpet........if they can reach it.

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Jon
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Message 24 of 91 (696000)
04-11-2013 12:20 AM
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04-09-2013 11:32 PM


Re: it matters
It would be more interesting if we had access to penis size information from before the time of clothing to compare to information from today.
Would we find an increase in penis-size variability over time as selection pressure disappears?
ABE: Are there any known clothing-less cultures that might make this research possible?
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Message 25 of 91 (696002)
04-11-2013 12:41 AM
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04-11-2013 12:20 AM


Re: it matters
Are there any known clothing-less cultures that might make this research possible?
When the Spanish missionaries reached California they found the males wore no clothes in many areas.
Rather than do comparative research they were scandalized.
Here is one of the few pictures that shows people unclothed:
This was done nearly 50 years after the Europeans arrived, so it's accuracy is open to question.

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Message 26 of 91 (696003)
04-11-2013 12:56 AM
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04-10-2013 3:18 PM


Don't do this to me
This was unfair, bluegenes.
I showed this map to one woman in the office, now she wants to know how many flights are leaving for Sudan today.
You're going to leave us with no women.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Dogmafood
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Message 27 of 91 (696022)
04-11-2013 8:02 AM
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04-10-2013 3:02 PM


Re: it matters
I have a feeling that we have a fairly naive view of how sex works in the wild.
No doubt there is lots left to learn even by the people who really know but I wouldn't say that we are naive about it. One area that we ( I ) don't know a lot about is the impact of pheromones on our breeding habits. I would hazard a guess that the way a man smells has a greater impact on his ability to mate than the size of his penis.
I guess my biggest objection to the idea of sexual selection is the fact that almost all members of the society become breeding members. I can see it filtering out those that are deformed, incapable or sick but, in the end, if a member is capable of breeding they will likely breed. Sexual selection would only have an impact if the preferred mate was the only one that reproduced.
Then there is the fact that there are many elements that make up the preferences. So eye colour, height, strength, intelligence, demeanour , generosity and kindness would all go into the mix. It seems unlikely that minor differences in penis length would have that much impact on the entire process.
I can see it limiting the extremes as others have said. So if a penis is dysfunctionally small or frighteningly large that would have an effect on the persons ability to reproduce but otherwise I think the impact would be negligible.

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Message 28 of 91 (696040)
04-11-2013 11:59 AM
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04-11-2013 12:20 AM


Re: it matters
Jon writes:
It would be more interesting if we had access to penis size information from before the time of clothing to compare to information from today.
Unfortunately, in most societies clothing was invented before statistics.

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Message 29 of 91 (696115)
04-12-2013 9:16 AM
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Re: it matters
This was done nearly 50 years after the Europeans arrived, so it's accuracy is open to question.
I think the accuracy would be open to question whenever the drawing was done.

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Message 30 of 91 (696144)
04-12-2013 1:32 PM
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04-08-2013 8:42 PM


A big one.
This thread isn't as big as I expected, I've handled much bigger ones in my time on the forum. Still I have to work with what I've been given and hopefully some attention will help it grow.
I'll start at the base...
Omnivorous writes:
Science proves women like men with bigger penises
Penis size does affect attractiveness
There's actually an interesting study which suggested that women look at genitals more than men do, men actually look at the face more. Here's a link to the study:
Search Kinsey Institute

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