Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?

And you've ignored my explanation that Jesus did not end when he died. How could Jesus have made proclamations to the imprisoned spirits if he didn't exist? Repeating yourself doesn't make it true. You haven't addressed my arguments that proves you wrong, you just say it again as if you're ignoring me.

OK here is the quote in context.

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9 I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

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Paul goes back to Adam and Eve. He talks about women being saved by bearing children which isn't usually done in church in my experience. Now I don't think that God wants women to be always submissive to men either because I take this in the context of the entire Biblical narrative which progressively recognizes the role of women in all walks of life, because of Jesus' treatment of women and because of Paul's cultural background.There is no reason to conclude, and when you actually read the passage every reason not to conclude, that Paul just meant it in the context of church.However, once again you don't read the Bible as inerrant when it doesn't conform with your own views.

You asked for evidence of Romanist designs to dominate the world. Well, first of all they aren't going to come right out and say it until they are sure it's in their grasp so you have to understand from various clues that this is their goal.Let's start with their contention that the Pope has the RIGHT to rule the world.Anecdotal: Protestant girl who is a student at a Jesuit university told a speaker on the subject of Jesuitism that one of her Jesuit professors had informed her that whether she knows it or not she is under the authority of the Pope as are all people.From the Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism, NY 1959, Vol 77, pp37-38 (in Robbins, Ecclesiastical Megalomania, pp 122-123): And from another book, Tierney, The Crisis of Church and State, 1050-1300, pp 155-156, in Robbins, p. 123: So the Pope is considered to have authority over everyone and everything. Right now they don't have the power to enforce it, but what if they did? They've thoroughly justified to themselves the right to do so.I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, but in this same book by John Robbins, Ecclesiastical Megalomania, 1999, 2006, p. 195, he quotes her as writing in 1967, in an article titled "Requiem for Man," in Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal, 315: In recent years they've been taking a strong interest in the European Union, and they've written quite a bit in support of World Government. They have Jesuit-trained men positioned all over the world. (And there's an interesting discussion in this book by Robbins about how the Vatican has the best intelligence and espionage operation in the world).Robbins comes to this conclusion, p. 195: Lots more where that came from.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Perhaps I'll have to decide to stop posting on EvC or anywhere, stay home and just pray my heart out about all this stuff instead. But I still understand that Paul is talking about women in church, the reference to Adam and Eve is an explanation of why, this isn't church and I have no authority. The remark about childbearing seems to be some attempt to mollify the women. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The idea that Ayn Rand is an authority on Catholicism is pretty dumb.Have you checked out any of the quotes Robbins offers or are you just assuming that he has presented them accurately and in context ?And it must be said that the political power of the Roman Church continues to weaken. Claims of power are one thing. But if they are taking any steps to try to bring those claims to reality they aren't working very well.

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Perhaps I'll have to decide to stop posting on EvC or anywhere, stay home and just pray my heart out about all this stuff instead.

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Perhaps you should drop the arrogance instead. Quite frankly for someone who claims "no authority" you do an awful lot of trying to dictate what people should believe - with no regard for the truth.

So having first decreed that only the people who agree with you are Christian, you can then proudly proclaim that the majority of Christians agree with you.

Yes I can, about the essentials of Christian belief, which all of them share.

The steps are not out in the open.

Nobody said Rand is an authority, but even to say what she said certainly implies that she had some knowledge about how the Catholic Church operates. You don't say such things otherwise.

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The steps are not out in the open.

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Probably because they are the inventions of conspiracy theorists.And to return to Ayn Rand, arguing that she must have knowledge because you like what she says is a pretty clear example of begging the question.

So, what are the essentials of Christian belief? Do they look anything like the Apostle's Creed?

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You have been told several times that an eternal person cannot die aka their life cannot end.

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But you still haven't shown support for your rules on eternal beings. Talk about the same wash, rinse, and repeat?Our definition of eternal, does not constitute known rules of existence for eternal beings. It's just how we use the word eternal.To answer your question concerning Jesus, you need to answer my question on what constitutes death for an eternal being and provide support? I have asked twice: Message 218 and Message 234Do eternal beings rely on oxygen, blood flow, nutrition, etc. to sustain their life??? We know humans need those things, but do eternal beings??That's why I asked, where's your support that an eternal being who has taken human form, will cease being eternal because the human form died and the eternal being continued?Actually, I've already answered your questions Message 218: An eternal being is given human form. To shed the human form, that human form must die. This releases the eternal being from that human form. It doesn't mean the eternal being ceased to exist. Only the human form ceased to exist. The eternal being continues. Message 234: As for taking human form. I didn't say you said it, but in the the Book of John, Jesus is presented as an eternal being taken human form and you're the one saying that Jesus is an eternal being that died.The human form died and the human form was resurrected to show humans that YHWH can bring humans back to life. (1 Corinthians 15)You concentrate on the death, but by your definition, his birth would eliminate Jesus from being eternal also.Christians look forward to receiving eternal life at some point after they die. They become an eternal being of some sort. They will have a human beginning and end and then another beginning. It doesn't make them YHWH or equal to YHWH though.If one takes the view of the Book of Mark that Jesus was totally human, this makes an even better example of what God can and will do for humans. He can bring humans back to life and make them eternal beings.So really God isn't sticking to your definition of no beginning and no end when he grants eternal life.Eternal is just our perception of God, not necessarily all divine beings. We don't know his beginning if there is one and haven't seen an end yet. It isn't a rule concerning eternal beings and what they can and can't do.

Forming a one world religion is something the Popes have been working on for some time. And this new Pope is falling right in step with that aim: You can read the rest HERE.==============================================================================================Edited by Faith, : correct grammarEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

I believe I already said: Sola Scriptura, and salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Plus the Deity of Christ/Trinity and various other elements of various of the Creeds. I believe these things are shared by the churches I listed.