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Author Topic:   Can science say anything about a Creator God?
ringo
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Message 23 of 506 (694634)
03-26-2013 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by designtheorist
03-26-2013 11:45 AM


Re: Hi Blue Jay
designtheorist writes:
The question we are debating is: "Is it possible for science to say anything about the supernatural or God? Why do you hold this opinion?"
Sure, it's possible. Science can say the same thing about the supernatural, God, Zeus, Thor, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, fairies, the big bad wolf, etc. It can say, "We can't find any evidence that they exist. Similarly, police can say, "We can't find Jimmy Hoffa."
Not being able to find something is not the same as saying that something doesn't exist.
But you don't often see believers looking for evidence, do you?

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ringo
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Message 29 of 506 (694643)
03-26-2013 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by designtheorist
03-26-2013 12:19 PM


Re: Looking for evidence
designtheorist writes:
ringo writes:
But you don't often see believers looking for evidence, do you?
Yes, I see it all the time. These believers are called Christian apologists. Dr. Hugh Ross is one.
Surely you understand the difference between looking for evidence and finding excuses for why there is none.
designtheorist writes:
If science was capable of finding evidence for God's existence, what would it look like?
Ask Dr. Hugh Ross. You claim he's looking for it.
designtheorist writes:
What evidence would be compelling to you?
First, it would have to be objective - i.e. not just compelling to me but to everybody.

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ringo
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Message 63 of 506 (694711)
03-27-2013 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by designtheorist
03-27-2013 12:15 PM


Re: What Supernatural?
designtheorist writes:
... when Christians who are scientists look for evidence of God, they do not expect to see 1000 foot deities throwing lightning.
When believers claim that God can do something - e.g. throw lightning - then that is exactly what scientists want to see evidence of. If God can throw lightning, then the minimum evidence would be Him demonstating throwing lightning. Of course, that still would not mean that He necessarily throws all of the lightning.
If "Christians who are scientists" are willing to accept lesser evidence, they're not being true to science.

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ringo
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Message 77 of 506 (694726)
03-27-2013 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by designtheorist
03-27-2013 1:37 PM


Re: Hi Blue Jay
designtheorist writes:
Can you think of any new evidence regarding the Cambrian that would lead you in the direction of the work of an intelligent being? Can you think of a null hypothesis and alternative hypothesis?
In the question of "Where are my keys?" the hypothesis might be that they were stolen by gremlins. The null hypothesis would be that they were not stolen by gremlins. An alternative hypothesis might be that they're in my other pants.
The original hypothesis requires some previous evidence that gremlins exist while the alternative hypothesis requires some evidence that I have other pants. The test for gremlins is considerably more difficult than the test for pants.

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ringo
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Message 116 of 506 (694784)
03-28-2013 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by designtheorist
03-28-2013 12:11 PM


Re: ABE
designtheorist writes:
I repeat it again. No naturalistic explanation for the cause of the Big Bang works.
It wasn't so very long ago that no naturalistic explanation of electricity worked. And then one did.
There's a big difference between not having a satisfactory explanation yet and deciding that the explanation must be spooks.
(And remember that no explanation of spooks has ever worked either.)

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ringo
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Message 141 of 506 (694886)
03-30-2013 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Just being real
03-29-2013 9:22 AM


Just being real writes:
So are you trying to say there is some other process we have "observed" that indicates how we might get something from nothing?
If we observe one process for getting something from nothing, that opens the door for looking for other such processes. It's no longer possible to say, "There's no free lunch," (though the free lunch may be paid for with a vanishing lunch elsewhere).

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Message 503 of 506 (697509)
04-26-2013 1:14 PM


Summary - What Science Can Say About God
Show me.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed subtitle.

  
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