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It's been on topic from the start, had you even bother to read what plasma is you would realize it is an electrified medium. Since electric currents exist everywhere, including your brain (although some could argue that and I wouldn't have a defense in your case) it is impossible for the universe to be electrically neutral. Especially if we consider that there is NO gravitational model for the atom, only electrical. So what holds atoms together and by extension you if no electricity is allowed?

Oh God, you're really out of your league here.

Do you know what a "net" charge is? And how we can have amounts of positive and negatively charged ions but still have a total net charge of zero?

Then explain how a quote "neutral" unquote neutron is attracted to both negative and positive charges if it is neutral? You are totally confused as to what neutral means when discussing electric charges. It means there are equal amounts of both negative and positive charges, not that no charge exists at all. Learn your science, that is 4th grade teaching. That is how the positive protons in the nucleus are prevented from flying apart, you know, negative and positive atract, but positive repells positive, negative repels negative. So the neutron by attracting the positive protons to its negative charge prevent them from flying apart, just as it prevents the negative electrons from slaming into the positive protons because of that same negative charge. being you know nothing about charge I would of expected you to do some research before attempting to argue the very fact of charge.

justatruthseeker writes: Since electric currents exist everywhere, including your brain (although some could argue that and I wouldn't have a defense in your case) it is impossible for the universe to be electrically neutral.

Water flows downhill, then it evaporates back up. The water cycle has a "total flow" of zero.

It's the same with electrical currents. They exist because neutrality is the natural state.

A quote from your very own science books:

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The Standard Model of particle physics predicts a tiny separation of positive and negative charge within the neutron leading to a permanent electric dipole moment.

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So what was that again about neutral????

And electricity could care less if your coffe pot is above or below the electrical outlet, it requires not the slightest bit of gravity to function.

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Edited by justatruthseeker, : No reason given.

It's been on topic from the start, had you even bother to read what plasma is you would realize it is an electrified medium. Since electric currents exist everywhere, including your brain (although some could argue that and I wouldn't have a defense in your case) it is impossible for the universe to be electrically neutral. Especially if we consider that there is NO gravitational model for the atom, only electrical. So what holds atoms together and by extension you if no electricity is allowed?

You can't get better until you realize that you have a problem.

What was that about water and evaporation????

http://iopscience.iop.org/0963-0252/21/1/015009

http://www.plasma-air.de/Steam_Plasma_Burner_-2-91.htm

plasma is involved in steam as well.

justatruthseeker writes: So what was that again about neutral????

Your quote says, "... within the neutron...." That's a localized dipole. We're talking about the overall charge on the whole universe here.

justatruthseeker writes: And electricity could care less if your coffe pot is above or below the electrical outlet, it requires not the slightest bit of gravity to function.

But the electrical outlet does have to be grounded. The electrons won't flow in nless the can get back out and returnto the power plant.

What was that about water and evaporation???? http://iopscience.iop.org/0963-0252/21/1/015009 http://www.plasma-air.de/Steam_Plasma_Burner_-2-91.htm plasma is involved in steam as well.

My God you're stupid.

justatruthseeker writes: plasma is involved in steam as well.

Sure, you can cause localized concentrations of energy but that doesn't effect the overall energy of the unverse. All you're doing is moving it around.

At the risk of confusing you further with another analogy, pushing sand into piles doesn't effect the total amount of sand.

Where have you measured this overall charge but "localized"? And everywhere you measure it, it is anything but neutral!

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/...-circuit-be-grounded

Voltage has no set strength, only relative to something else, which conversely means that no matter what you measure it has voltage, just more or less to whatever you pick as your starting value.

Where have you measured this overall charge but "localized"? And everywhere you measure it, it is anything but neutral! http://electronics.stackexchange.com/...-circuit-be-grounded Voltage has no set strength, only relative to something else, which conversely means that no matter what you measure it has voltage, just more or less to whatever you pick as your starting value.

A voltage of zero is zero no matter what your units of measurement.

justatruthseeker writes: Where have you measured this overall charge but "localized"? And everywhere you measure it, it is anything but neutral!

Have you added up all of the localized charges in the universe to prove that the sum isn't zero?

justbeingreal writes: Voltage has no set strength, only relative to something else, which conversely means that no matter what you measure it has voltage, just more or less to whatever you pick as your starting value.

Voltage is just the potential to flow. Current exists because of voltage and because the natural tendency is toward neutrality.

Learn your science, that is 4th grade teaching. That is how the positive protons in the nucleus are prevented from flying apart, you know, negative and positive atract, but positive repells positive, negative repels negative. So the neutron by attracting the positive protons to its negative charge prevent them from flying apart,

A fair proposal, but one that is not matched to the evidence. The standard model does predict an extremely tiny neutron dipole moment of 10–32e·cm, but that moment is simple not strong enough to explain why an atom like He-3 is completely stable despite the repulsion of the two protons. The strong nuclear force does that work.

There is a wikipedia article on the neutron electric dipole moment that is reasonably supported with pointers to the experimental evidence and the theoretical support for the tiny value of the nedm. I see no reason to take your word for it.

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When we measure voltage at a point we measure a difference in potential between that point and a reference. We can choose different reference potentials and thus get different voltage readings for the same point.

I don't think this idea is in any way helpful to justatruthseeker, but let's watch him run with it. I'm beginning to enjoy his, er... enthusiasm for rescuing science from the lies and cover ups. I see a future POTM nomination for him.

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Sure, you can cause localized concentrations of energy but that doesn't effect the overall energy of the unverse. All you're doing is moving it around.

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What energy, i thought you said it summed to 0? 1 + 1 + 2 does not sum to 0, but what should I have expected from someone that believes dividing by zero is mathematically acceptable. If you have 5 sources of energy 1 volt each in a universe devoid of any other charge, the universe still sums to 5.