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Author Topic:   Endtime Prophecy and the European Union
New Cat's Eye
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Message 106 of 313 (700136)
05-30-2013 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 1:24 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Each footnoted quotation had a numerical superscript at the end which linked it to its source- as recorded in the bibliography.

It is?

Here's an example, you wrote:

We must not, however, dismiss the story of doom, which we have just been considering without some reflections on the solemn warning drawn from it by the Savior. "But as the days of Noah were," is His awful declaration, "so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. For as the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be" (Matt.xxiv.37﷓39). Thus the closing scenes of this present age will be a reproduction of the days of Noah: the. same intense worldliness, and at last positive inability to care for the things of God, which was displayed by the antediluvians, will also be characteristic of our world when Christ begins the judgments that will quickly culminate in the glory of His appearing.

It seems fair, then, to infer that this second manifestation of the spirit that worked in them who were disobedient before the flood will be effected by a conjunction of causes similar to that which formerly produced it. And hence, as we have already remarked, it becomes a matter of the greatest practical importance to comprehend these causes: for whenever they are again found to be simultaneously affecting the mass of the world's population, the fact will afford a strong presumption that we are drifting rapidly to the great consummation of wickedness; that the avenging glory of the Lord is about to be revealed, so that all flesh shall see it together.... The seven great causes of the antediluvian apostasy have been already noticed, and may summed up as follows.
I. A tendency to worship God as Elohim, that is, merely as the Creator and Benefactor, and not as Jehovah the covenant God of mercy, dealing with transgressors who are appointed to destruction, and finding a ransom for them.
II. An undue prominence of the female sex, and a disregard of the primal law of marriage.
III. A rapid progress in the mechanical arts, and the consequent invention of
many devices whereby the hardships of the curse were mitigated, and life was rendered more easy and indulgent. Also a proficiency in the fine arts, which captivated the minds of men, and helped to induce an entire oblivion of God.
IV. An alliance between the nominal church and the world, which speedily resulted in a complete amalgamation.
V. A vast increase of population.
VI. The rejection of the preaching of Enoch (and Noah) whose warning thus became a savoir of death unto the world, and hardened men beyond recovery.
VII. The appearance upon earth of beings from the Principality of the Air,
and their unlawful intercourse with the human race. 304

I can find that exact same thing beginning at the third paragraph on page 14, book page 139, of this pdf:

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/pember.pdf

Is that where you copied it from? Where in your post do you indicate that it was a quote and where do you tell us where you quoted it from?


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Message 107 of 313 (700140)
05-30-2013 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by New Cat's Eye
05-30-2013 3:31 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
See the "304" at the end of that paragraph? It is called a superscript, and- as I told you denotes footnoted material (quotations from other sources) and the number itself references an index which gives the exact source and location (In this particular case from G. H. Pember's "Earth's Earliest Ages".). If a section doesn't have a bible verse reference, then it is my own written narration. Okay: to clarify: there 3 types of text in my book: 1. non-biblical referenced footnotes. 2. scriptural referenced verse(s). and 3. My narration. I first wrote the material in 1980. If it appears elsewhere (the narration part), then it almost certainly is in something after that time. I don't plagiarize. Nor do I care if someone plagiarizes me. The important thing is that it is disseminated as widely as possible. Why?
I don't think it took Noah 120-150 years to build a boat. It took that long to make sure that everyone of his generation was forewarned, so that God could have the ground to judge them righteously. The flood is an O. T. type of what is fixing to happen in reality. But the gospel of the kingdom (of which the gospel of salvation is but a part) must be preached unto the uttermost parts of the earth, and "then the end shall come". THIS ALONE is my motivation. If you know a path leads to a cliff edge, you are obligated (as a Christian) to tell those who don't think the broadway ends on a cliff.

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Message 108 of 313 (700141)
05-30-2013 3:55 PM
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05-30-2013 1:36 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Neither of which were part of the then (time of writing of Revelation) know civilized world. So your post is totally irrelevant

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jar
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Message 109 of 313 (700143)
05-30-2013 4:05 PM
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05-30-2013 3:55 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Too funny. So the prophecy is dependent on being ********. Got it.

France, England, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Czech Republic, Ireland, Estonia, Netherlands ... were also unknown at the time and so the EU is irrelevant.

But it doesn't really matter. End time prophecies, particularly Revelation, is all ancient history and long past. Today end time Biblical prophecy is just fodder for laughter and jokes.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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PaulGL
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Message 110 of 313 (700145)
05-30-2013 4:15 PM
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05-30-2013 4:05 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Your post is totally false. France, even England, etc. were well-known when John wrote revelation. Prior to his writing Paul wrote in Romans (mayle Italy, u think huh?) and other epistles about Macedonia, Asia Minor, and Spain.
Please think before you write, or consider reading what you are talking about (with a Strong's concordance) in the Bible and maybe a history or Geology book.
The EU has nothing to do with the 10 nation confederacy, other than that the 10 nations will coincidentally be some of its members. Total red herring by Lindsey.

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PaulGL
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Message 111 of 313 (700146)
05-30-2013 4:17 PM
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05-30-2013 4:05 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
I reiterate that when these events begin to occur (and many are of a supernatural scope and nature) then all of the gray areas will go bye-bye in doubting minds.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 112 of 313 (700147)
05-30-2013 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 3:50 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
See the "304" at the end of that paragraph? It is called a superscript, and- as I told you denotes footnoted material (quotations from other sources) and the number itself references an index which gives the exact source and location (In this particular case from G. H. Pember's "Earth's Earliest Ages".)

Where does it tell me that "304" = G. H. Pember's "Earth's Earliest Ages"?


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jar
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Message 113 of 313 (700151)
05-30-2013 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 4:15 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Utter bullshit from you.

Please try to support any of your assertions.

Actually try to find out when some of those nations actually came to exist. When did Italy actually become the Nation of Italy?

The Roman Empire and the Nation of Italy are not synonymous.

One problem YOU seem to have is understanding that some of us have actually read the Bible.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 114 of 313 (700152)
05-30-2013 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 4:17 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Bullshit.

End Time nut jobs have been saying that forever and not a single end time prophecy has ever been fulfilled.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 115 of 313 (700158)
05-30-2013 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by jar
05-30-2013 1:36 PM


cities on seven hills
Well everyone knows that Washington DC is a city of seven hills, as is Baltimore.

I found your claim here to be quite intriguing so looked it up and found that for something that supposedly "everybody knows" it's odd that Wikipedia doesn't seem to agree with you. They list many cities claimed to be built on seven hills, but list neither Baltimore nor Washington D.C. Do you happen to have a more reliable source for your assertion?

Rome was known at the time Revelation was written to be THE city on seven hills.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 116 of 313 (700160)
05-30-2013 5:43 PM
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05-30-2013 5:15 PM


Re: cities on seven hills
Sure, I lived in both cities and can count.

Of course Revelation is irrelevant anyway since it has nothing to do with today or the future and like so many other failed Biblical prophecies just an example of the ********* of the time.

The point is that the writings of whoever was the author of Revelations was quite ********. While Rome was significant at the time and in that area, it was not very significant for the other great civilizations of the time like the Indus Valley, China, the Americas.

Whoever wrote Revelations was talking about the small area of the world surrounding the Mediterranean and the politics of that period.

But everything in Revelations would have been over more than a thousand years ago and except as another example of failed prophecy of little interest.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 117 of 313 (700163)
05-30-2013 5:52 PM
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05-30-2013 8:55 AM


Re: Hal Lindsey
These are not the droids you are looking for: move alone.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 118 of 313 (700165)
05-30-2013 5:54 PM
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05-30-2013 5:43 PM


Re: cities on seven hills
If you can count so well doesn't it seem odd to you that those two cities are not on Wikipedia's list? How explain that if it's so clear to you? Hey, I'm quite willing to believe both are well known to be cities on seven hills, but you haven't shown me that it's so.

Not only was Rome known at the time of the writing of Revelation to be THE city on seven hills, but it was known down through the centuries to be that as well, and was particularly recognized by the Reformation writers --some sixteen centuries later in northern Europe -- to be the seat of the Antichrist as revealed in that book. Pretty hard to dismiss such a large bit of history I would think.

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Message 119 of 313 (700168)
05-30-2013 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 1:15 PM


Re: Hal Lindsey
Yes you did. But it is not me that you argue with; it is the Bible.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 120 of 313 (700170)
05-30-2013 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by PaulGL
05-30-2013 4:15 PM


Re: To Catholic Scientist
Your post is totally false. France, even England, etc. were well-known when John wrote revelation.

You're hilarious. I wonder if Oni needs someone to open for him.

ANy idea what the people of the mideast called the area of France and England at that time. England and France were not well known at that time, as they did not exist at the time.

That would be the same as saying Saudi Arabia was well known at that time.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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