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kirsten
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Message 1 of 91 (70055)
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


which bigcat wins this battle

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NosyNed
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Message 2 of 91 (70056)
11-30-2003 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


I think it would depend on the individual animals. Doing the experiment of matching randomly selected animals in a number of matches would be, in my mind, unethical.
So another approach might be to calculate and guess. What is the average weight of each (tiger is greater). Which is sronger? Which fights more?
Why would I want to know?

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judge
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Message 3 of 91 (70096)
11-30-2003 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


RM and NS have produced African lions suited to the plains of Africa, whilst in Asia RM and NS have produced tigers suited to the different habitats of Asia.
So maybe a lion would win on the plains and a tiger in the jungle?

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Message 4 of 91 (70306)
12-01-2003 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by judge
11-30-2003 4:31 PM


Just for reference (although you're mostly correct IMO), there is an Asian subspecies of lion (Panthera leo persica) whose range and habitats formerly overlapped that of the tiger. About the only place they're still found in the same locale as tigers is a refuge in India (the Gir Forest Reserve near Gudjarat). Asian lions prefer dry forest habitat, and so could easily have shared ranges with some tiger populations (both forest dwellers). There are only about 300 P. l. persica left in the wild, and they are CITES Appendix I species. In the 1950's there were only three, so their rebound is pretty amazing.

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kjsimons
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Message 5 of 91 (70310)
12-01-2003 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


Well, lions hunt in packs and tigers are solitary animals, soooooo if a tiger wanders into lion territory it gets attacked by a pride of lions and loses big time!

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Zhimbo
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Message 6 of 91 (70316)
12-01-2003 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


Godzilla could kick both their asses. Splat! Splat!

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Message 7 of 91 (70348)
12-01-2003 5:17 PM
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12-01-2003 2:37 PM


Yes, but in this context, wouldn't it have to be Catzilla?

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Message 8 of 91 (70548)
12-02-2003 9:52 AM
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12-01-2003 5:17 PM


Sorry, did I drift off-topic?
Tigers are cooler, that's all I know.

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Dr Jack
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Message 9 of 91 (70551)
12-02-2003 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


Well, tigers are bigger but male lions are built for cat-on-cat combat. Plus that big-old mane would probably fool the tiger into thinking the lion was bigger, so it might just back down.
I reckon the Lion wins by a whisker.

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Peter
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Message 10 of 91 (70559)
12-02-2003 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


Do you mean one of each or as species?
Is there any context to the question, or did
you just wonder (kinda like who'd win in a fight
between Superman and the Hulk?)

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alik
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Message 11 of 91 (95074)
03-27-2004 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by kjsimons
12-01-2003 2:22 PM


tiger wins
If a tiger is a solitary animal, wouldn't it be a stronger animal, since the female lions fight and kill prey not the male lions.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 12 of 91 (95078)
03-27-2004 3:16 AM
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03-27-2004 2:15 AM


Re: tiger wins
Tigers are cooler than lions but in a fight I think a lion would win. It depends on the terrain and the strength of the particular tiger and lion fighting the battle.

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DC85
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Message 13 of 91 (95145)
03-27-2004 3:44 PM


I really do Hate these.... For what I study I hear things like this
which would win?
Spinosaurus vs. T-rex?
or
T-Rex Vs. Giganotosaurus(Carcharodontosaurus)?
Personally My Favorite Dino is Spinosaurus But how the heck am I suppose to call a fight? I mean these are stupid questions sorry to say.... As for Tiger and Lions why do you care? Unless you get joy out of watching animals fight or something...
I mean if you were asking which our favorite is or something that would be different.... Tiger is favorite of the 2 if you must know... But I am not going to say it will kill a lion....

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Cthulhu
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Message 14 of 91 (95255)
03-27-2004 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by DC85
03-27-2004 3:44 PM


T. rex would annihlate both of them.

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

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extremophile
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Message 15 of 91 (105789)
05-06-2004 12:12 AM


Depends of the individual situation of both animals. In a ideal fair confront, with both in idal health conditions, lions would have some advantage. They hava sexual dimorphism due to sexual selection, what made of them natural born fighters, more than hunters. Tigers, in the other hand, are not gregary and male tigers must hunt by their own much more than a lion have in his entire life, they are much better adapted, both physically and instinctively, to hunt than to fight, inter or intraspecifically. Lion's mane not only makes them look bigger, but also is a effective protection from paws and teeth, and they use to fight against each others, once when they're nomads trying to conquer they pride, and once again in defense of the conquered pride against the new generation of nomads.
I've seen a site about it, it had some related accounts of fights between both species, but was hard to measure due to uncertain and unfair physical conditions, and sometimes, unfair disputes, such two tigers (one, actually a tigress) against a lion. This thing about the sexual dimorphism was shown to be true. Tigers or tigresses against lionesses, in the other hand, won more oftenly, if I recall.
May be surprisingly that the best tiger against lions was not the siberian tiger, the biggest of all natural felines, but some indian tiger, not much bigger, if not smaller, than a lion. Seems that the higher demographic density in this race produces more agressivity due to hormones.
Other interesting thing I've found in this site, but not about this fight, is a interbreed of both species (another kind of confront). A tiger and a lioness produce a "tion", a almost dwarf mix between both, maneless, and with shorter lifespan, and somewhat weaker than what would be expected from a proportional reduction. A lion and a tigress produces a "liger", the largest living feline possible, even larger and heavier than siberian tigers. Really huge. There are some individuals in circuses. They are also maneless, but sometimes with a tiny mane, and they have some dots or stripes, but not black, but almost the same color of the rest of the fur.
Only the females of this interbreeding are fertiles, and not allways, if I recall.

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