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Dr Adequate
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Message 166 of 313 (700541)
06-04-2013 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
06-04-2013 9:03 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
What I was thinking of is the statue of Europa riding a bull outside the building that houses the EU Parliament in Strasbourg and another in front of another EU building in Brussels. Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation ...

They don't immediately recognize her as Europa riding a bull?

I found this blog that includes these statues, plus the fact that the main EU building, designed to imitate the Roman Colosseum, reminds Christians of the Tower of Babel ...

It doesn't remind them of the Roman Colosseum, then?

Some time ago I'd noticed that the flag of the Council of Europe is a circle of twelve stars on a blue background which immediately reminded me of the woman in Revelation with a crown of twelve stars and the moon under her feet, and I discovered that the designer of the flag did in fact have her in mind, as I report at my own blog. This is another Roman Catholic symbol as they conceive it.

I believe she appears in Protestant Bibles too.

The fact that ten countries are at least foundational to the EU also reflects Bible prophecy of a revived Roman Empire in the last days made up of ten nations.

The phrase "at least foundational" has no apparent meaning, and the European Union is made up of 27 nations.

It's not particularly relevant to this discussion I suppose but in that post I also got carried away about the EU anthem being Beethoven's Ode to Joy which is a wondrously pagan one-world theme song.

You what?

I've also heard that in one of the main council rooms, maybe the parliament, that Chair Number 666 has been pointedly left vacant. That I'd have to look up again, but I'm mostly writing this off the top of my head, maybe I can find more later.

Next time you find something like that on the top of your head, maybe you should just wash it off instead of showing people.


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Panda
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Message 167 of 313 (700542)
06-04-2013 10:34 AM
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06-04-2013 10:20 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

OK it reminds us of a famous painting of the Tower of Babel. The imagery is striking, and the EU poster confirms that they too find it striking and representative of their goals. Sure you can nitpick it to death for whatever thrill that gives you.


I am not nick-picking.
I am simply pointing out that a building based on the Colosseum cannot remind you of the Towel of Babel directly - because you have no idea what the tower looked like.
It can only remind you of the fantasy painting by Bruegel.

Faith writes:

caffeine writes:

Any chance you could fill us in on any of these signs of the EU's involvement in the End Days?


...the fact that the main EU building, designed to imitate the Roman Colosseum, reminds Christians of the Tower of Babel -- quite pointedly if you look at the poster this blogger found.

A building that reminds you of a painting is not evidence of "the EU's involvement in the End Days".

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 168 of 313 (700543)
06-04-2013 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
06-03-2013 6:16 PM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
The usual problem is that most of the Church is blind to the fact that the RCC is a CONTINUING persecutor of true believers, continues to plot against Protestantism to this day.

Meanwhile, all you're doing is spreading lies about the Catholics as far and loud as you know how: On the internet.


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Faith
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Message 169 of 313 (700544)
06-04-2013 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Dr Adequate
06-04-2013 10:30 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Ah a plodding literalist. Well of course those who designed Europa riding the bull most likely didn't have the Book of Revelation in mind, but she does nevertheless conjure that image for some of a more perspicacious turn of mind.

If Breughel found the Colosseum a likely model for the Tower of Babel, and the EU found both the Colosseum and that painting representative of their own goals, the connection does seem rather obvious to some of us of a more perspicacious mentality.

The INTERPRETATION of the woman used by the flag designer is Roman Catholic, that is, Mary, but Protestants interpret her as Israel and the Church.

I said "at least foundational" because ten nations are for some reason made emblematic of the EU in various ways, such as on the commemorative coin I mentioned.


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Faith
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Message 170 of 313 (700545)
06-04-2013 10:51 AM
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06-04-2013 10:41 AM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm talking about the Vatican and its history, about which Catholics generally know very little, and it is exactly what I've said it is. It is in the interest of Catholics to learn these things too.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 171 of 313 (700547)
06-04-2013 10:53 AM
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06-04-2013 10:34 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Yes you are nitpicking and missing the obvious point which I just mentioned in my post to Dr. A:

If Breughel found the Colosseum a likely model for the Tower of Babel, and the EU found both the Colosseum and that painting representative of their own goals, the connection does seem rather obvious to some of us of a more perspicacious mentality.

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Panda
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Message 172 of 313 (700548)
06-04-2013 10:58 AM
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06-04-2013 10:48 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

If Breughel found the Colosseum a likely model for the Tower of Babel, and the EU found both the Colosseum and that painting representative of their own goals,


Yes: read the words on the poster: "Many tongues: one voice".
Do you not think that aim is to be lauded?

Faith writes:

the connection does seem rather obvious to some of us of a more perspicacious mentality.


Then explain the connection.
How does an advertising poster (showing a picture of a fantasy painting based on the Roman Colesseum) show the EU's involvement in the End Days?

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Faith
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Message 173 of 313 (700549)
06-04-2013 11:02 AM
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06-04-2013 10:58 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
The poster suggests that the EU aims to recover the original Tower of Babel and unify all the tongues and nations of the world, which as the blogger points out, was major rebellion against God. Certainly an end days theme. The whole aim of unifying the world, a global religion and a global government, is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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caffeine
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Message 174 of 313 (700550)
06-04-2013 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
06-04-2013 9:03 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Thanks for sending some specific answers!

What I was thinking of is the statue of Europa riding a bull outside the building that houses the EU Parliament in Strasbourg and another in front of another EU building in Brussels. Christians immediately recognize this image as "the woman who rides the beast" in the Book of Revelation, who is generally understood to be the Harlot Church, a false worldwide religious system headed by the Vatican.

There is, indeed, a statue of a woman riding a beast in front of the European Parliament. She doesn't quite match the description in Revelation though:

quote:

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.


The statue is monochrome, the beast has only one head with two horns and the woman is, conspicuously, naked, on account of the fact the bull is kidnapping her to rape her (I've always thought it an odd choice of symbolism to represent the EU, but there you go). She's not wearing any pearls, nor carrying a cup, and nothing is written on her head.

The fact that ten countries are at least foundational to the EU

That's not the case. The original European Coal and Steel Community had 6 members. The European Union had 12 members at it's founding. The only time the EC had 10 members was the five year period between 1981 when Greece joined, and 1986 when Spain and Portugal joined. There is no way I can see to make ten a figure in any way relevant to the European Union. How is Greece foundational but not Spain?

Some time ago I'd noticed that the flag of the Council of Europe is a circle of twelve stars on a blue background which immediately reminded me of the woman in Revelation with a crown of twelve stars and the moon under her feet, and I discovered that the designer of the flag did in fact have her in mind, as I report at my own blog. This is another Roman Catholic symbol as they conceive it.

I'll give you this one. That is, indeed, the same symbol. I'm not sure of the prophetic relevance of an organisation using a symbol they copied from the prophecy. I don't think Revelation talks about someone masquerading as the Virgin Mary.

I found this blog that includes these statues, plus the fact that the main EU building, designed to imitate the Roman Colosseum, reminds Christians of the Tower of Babel -- quite pointedly if you look at the poster this blogger found.

They copied the Colosseum, a symbol of European civilisation. Someone else copied this to make a painting of the Tower of Babel. To the best of my knowledge, the Tower of Babel isn't even mentioned in Revelation, so I'm not sure what significance this has.


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Message 175 of 313 (700551)
06-04-2013 11:08 AM
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06-04-2013 11:03 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
If I have time I'll come back and answer more carefully but right now I'd like to ask that you please read through some of my answers to others on this subject above as I've dealt with the colosseum-tower of Babel issue and the ten nations issue.

The Book of Revelation isn't the only source of end times images.


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Panda
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Message 176 of 313 (700552)
06-04-2013 11:13 AM
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06-04-2013 11:02 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

The poster suggests that the EU aims to recover the original Tower of Babel


Is that it.
That's not even worth the paper it isn't written on.

"The poster suggests".
So - your evidence against the EU is that a poster was once made linking the motto: "Europe: Many Tongues, One Voice" to the Towel of Babel.
....to which you then added: "the EU aims to recover the original Tower of Babel".

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Message 177 of 313 (700554)
06-04-2013 11:34 AM
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06-04-2013 10:51 AM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm talking about the Vatican and its history,

Oh, I didn't realize that the Vatican wasn't Catholic... please enlighten me of all these other things that are exactly what you say they are.


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Panda
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Message 178 of 313 (700555)
06-04-2013 11:43 AM
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06-04-2013 11:34 AM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
CS writes:

Oh, I didn't realize that the Vatican wasn't Catholic...


Woman: "Would you like to have sex with me?"
Man: "Is the Pope Catholic!"
Woman: "Oh...ok. I'll go home alone then."

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Dr Adequate
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Message 179 of 313 (700556)
06-04-2013 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:48 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Ah a plodding literalist. Well of course those who designed Europa riding the bull most likely didn't have the Book of Revelation in mind, but she does nevertheless conjure that image for some of a more perspicacious turn of mind.

That's not how you spell "paranoid". It's an image of Europa, symbolizing Europe. It's not the woman in Revelation, because:

* She isn't "arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls".

* She doesn't have a golden cup.

* The words "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" aren't written on her forehead.

* The beast she's riding doesn't have "seven heads and ten horns".

It's Europa on a bull, isn't it?

If Breughel found the Colosseum a likely model for the Tower of Babel, and the EU found both the Colosseum and that painting representative of their own goals, the connection does seem rather obvious to some of us of a more perspicacious mentality.

That's not obvious, that's reaching.

The INTERPRETATION of the woman used by the flag designer is Roman Catholic, that is, Mary, but Protestants interpret her as Israel and the Church.

And you're a Protestant, if I remember.

I said "at least foundational" because ten nations are for some reason made emblematic of the EU in various ways, such as on the commemorative coin I mentioned.

Where are they "made emblematic"? The EU has never had ten member states, and the idea that the fan-shaped thing on the coin represents the ten nations that it never actually contained, and certainly not at the time the coin was minted, is simply something you like to imagine. So what you've got to support your bizarre thesis is a coin with ten things on it.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 180 of 313 (700557)
06-04-2013 11:50 AM
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06-04-2013 11:43 AM


Does a one-legged Pope shit in the woods?

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