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Message 1 of 144 (701373)
06-04-2013 8:55 PM


Average of years without multiplying: 4,750 per 5,000
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Hi,
It is about ascertaining whether the Human body did or did not originate naturally or by natural causes. The Evolution theory, in regards to the origin of the Human body, looks really bad because its proposal to populations growth is proven to be an extremely serious error. It is proven to be mathematically inconsistent.
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Quotes from Spotlight: How to Entangle a Juridical Panthera,
Evidence of Simultaneity consists in the fact that 42 linguistic ethnic groups did not spread to Europe during the time proposed by the Evolutionary theory ( for Human Origins ) otherwise Europe would be one miscegenated people even before they could become 42 Linguistic Ethnic groups. That the sets of groups were brought to the land simultaneously, all at one time, is the only possibility that was not proved wrong.
On the other hand the presence of skeletons of mammal specimens that became extinct doesn’t prove that they evolved. Observation shows that whenever mammal specimens disappear they cease from existing for becoming extinct.
There is a disconnection of time and place which is verified from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on Europe for a time no longer than 14,000 years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the Evolutionary theory. It will be seen that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single season of 7,000 years; they would have done the same thing anyway during any of three seasons of 14,000 years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.
The concept that the size of the Human brain would be product of natural selection becomes archaic and obsolete by Four different means,
‘Math proof of the Population Growth Models’, 'Evidence of Simultaneity - Previous Non-miscegenation of the European population', 'Impossibility of creating a beginning of life outside of what is already living' and ‘Physical proof that results from Genesis Experiment’.
In EVOLUTION VERSUS EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT ( ENERGY ), from page 14th to 17th, and the subtitle ‘The shortest distance between two points: Simultaneity’ it will be seen that by ‘Emanation of living energy’ one ascertains that ELYON is a place where the life energy emanates of itself,
which confirms that in fragments of ‘Genesis as originally written’ there is no ‘creation by god or elohim’. It is verified in Labyrinth of hidden words that the original meaning of the Hebrew word EL ( ELYON ) has nothing to do with elohim or god ( generic terms and common designation for deities ).
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The transcription ‘Understanding of times and relativity of simultaneity’ clears up: ‘Life energy and existence never had a beginning. Because no beginning of life is found outside of what is already living.’
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Population Growth over the hills and far away
50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 people . . . . . . .Many is a word
49 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ? . . . . . . . that only leaves you guessin’
43 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ? . . . . . . . Guessin’ bout a thing
35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 people . . . ( one really ought not to lie )
25 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ? . . . . . . . . You really ought to know
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For some reason, not shown by the Evolutionary theory for Human origins, the Human population in Europe would not increase until 35 thousand years ago, according to the Evolutionary theory. However, that there were no families of Humans multiplying on the Earth 25,000 years ago is evident, due to the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single cluster of 7 thousand years, they would have done the same thing anyway during any of three sequences of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7,000 years.
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1st cluster of 14,000 years — from 49 to 36,000 years ago: population x 15 - 80 %
2nd cluster of 14,000 years — from 35 to 22,000 years ago
3rd cluster of 14,000 years — from 21 to 7,000 years ago
Population growth Model: Thin Red Line
Multiplication rate: 1 to 15 people - 80 % per every thousand years.
Only the Fifth part survives: 4 from every 5 inhabitants do not multiply. It's a model that reproduces the chaos, a state of miserability and very bad conditions to population increase. Eighty percent of Humans were terminated or died because of wars, famines, diseases and other events and they've left no descendants.
1st cluster of 14,000 — From 49,000 years ago. World population: 2,000
1 thousand years | . . . . . . . . 2,000 x 15 = 30,000 - 80 % = 6,000 people
2 thousand years | . . . . . . . . 6,000 x 15 = 90,000 - 80 % = 18,000 p
3 thousand years | . . . . . . . 18,000 x 15 = 270,000 - 80 % = 54,000 p
4 thousand years | . . . . . . . 54,000 x 15 = 810,000 - 80 % = 162,000 p
5 thousand years | . . . . . . 162,000 x 15 = 2,430,000 - 80 % = 486,000 p
6 thousand years | . . . . . . 486,000 x 15 = 7,290,000 - 80 % = 1,458,000 p
7 thousand years | . . . . 1,458,000 x 15 = 21,870,000 - 80 % = 4,374,000 p
8 thousand years | . . . . 4,374,000 x 15 = 65,610,000 - 80 % = 13,122,000 p
9 thousand years | . . . 13,122,000 x 15 = 196,830,000 - 80 % = 39,366,000 p
10 thousand years | . . 39,366,000 x 15 = 590,490,000 - 80 % = 118,098,000 p
11 thousand years | . 118,098,000 x 15 = 1,771,470,000 - 80 % = 354,294,000 p
12 thousand years | . 354,294,000 x 15 = 5,314,410,000 - 80 % = 1,062,882,000 p
13 thousand years | 1,062,882,000 x 15 = 15,943,230,000 - 80 % = 3,188,646,000 p
14 thousand years | 3,188,646,000 x 15 = 47,829,690,000 - 80 % = 9,565,938,000 p
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Evolutionary theory implies that the miscegenation in Europe would have started when they were 2,000 people. However, 2,000 people in Europe do not become 42 different linguistic ethnic groups through the means of miscegenation.
1st cluster of 14,000 years — from 49 to 36,000 years ago
2nd cluster of 14,000 years — from 35 to 22,000 years ago
3rd cluster of 14,000 years — from 21 to 7,000 years ago
This is heading for the open road that many men can't see.
There is a disconnection of time and place: incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on Europe for a time no longer than 14 thousand years, and the time proposed for their multiplication by the Evolutionary theory.
Population growth Model: Beyond the thin red line
1st cluster of 14,000 — From 49,000 years ago. World population: 2,000
1 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 - 80 % = 4,000 people
2 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4,000 x 10 = 40,000 - 80 % = 8,000 p
3 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8,000 x 10 = 80,000 - 80 % = 16,000 p
4 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16,000 x 10 = 160,000 - 80 % = 32,000 p
5 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32,000 x 10 = 320,000 - 80 % = 64,000 p
6 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64,000 x 10 = 640,000 - 80 % = 128,000 p
7 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 128,000 x 10 = 1,280,000 - 80 % = 256,000 p
8 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 256,000 x 10 = 2,560,000 - 80 % = 512,000 p
9 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . . . 512,000 x 10 = 5,120,000 - 80 % = 1,024,000 p
10 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . 1,024,000 x 10 = 10,240,000 - 80 % = 2,048,000 p
11 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . 2,048,000 x 10 = 20,480,000 - 80 % = 4,096,000 p
12 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . . 4,096,000 x 10 = 40,960,000 - 80 % = 8,192,000 p
13 thousand years | . . . . . . . . . 8,192,000 x 10 = 81,920,000 - 80 % = 16,384,000 p
14 thousand years | . . . . . . . 16,384,000 x 10 = 163,840,000 - 80 % = 32,768,000 p
Population x 10 - 80 % is surpasses far beyond the thin red line in terms of miserability and very bad conditions to multiply. It’s got what it takes to make a wind of change become a twister to the concepts wherever they've been told what to teach by the man.
Because real life always confirmed that it’s impossible that 2,000 people in Europe would have taken a time longer than ten thousand years to reach 1 million. But you know there is a rank of what matters more, regardless of a mistake on progress.
Specific reasons why not see when a theory becomes archaic and obsolete:
1st Sponsorships and financial support to Universities ought not to be lost. 2nd The Institutes’ reputation ought not to be damaged. 3rd The sales of many books must continue without damages. 4th As teacher on Human origins you must keep your job.
SIGN OF ANOMALY
....... Year | World Population in Millions
70,000 BC | <0.015
10,000 BC | 1
Often when a chronological basis is omitted with a jump, jumping from 70 directly to 10 then a debt with the truth can be seen, unfinished business that needs to be answered in response for a lack of consistency in the Evolutionary theory and the statement that the size of your brain is product of natural selection. When a theory states that it would have taken a time longer than 55,000 years to reach 1 million people, it implies that the number of children would remain the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years per every 5,000 years interval.
Many, many men can’t see the open road to new possibilities of the real science ( ascertained truth of the facts ). When providing you meaningless numbers, or when giving you any number that has to do with many, that is the same as to say that ’25 thousand years ago you would find many people living in Europe’. And many is a word that only leaves you guessing about a thing you really ought to know. One really ought not to lie or drift on numbers as if man is a beast, and as if everything that happens in life is a disgrace.
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DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEM
The Surrealist Intervals’ anomaly
The following was based on numbers proposed by the Evolutionary theory:
55 thousand years ago: 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 - 90 % = 2,000 people
50 thousand years ago: 1,700 x 10 = 17,000 - 90 % = 1,700 p
45 thousand years ago: 2,500 x 10 = 25,000 - 90 % = 2,500 p
40 thousand years ago: 3,500 x 10 = 35,000 - 90 % = 3,500 p
35 thousand years ago: 5,000 x 10 = 50,000 - 90 % = 5,000 p
The finals ( the totals ) can be changed and they still indicate global termination occurring from a thousand years to another. ♯ ♯ ♯ — Anomaly has been found — Every 5,000 years the number of children would be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval. Another anomaly is not seeing it.
During the 5,000 years intervals, from 55 to 35 thousand years ago, the time that the population would multiply on a regular basis equates to 250 years.
Average of years without multiplying: 4,750 years per every 5,000 years.
See through this point of view:
________________________________ 5,000 years interval ______________________________
|___________ p x 10 - 90 % ________|_______ multiplication rate _____________|
|_______________ 4,750 years ___________|_______ regular basis: 250 years __________|
That is why the problem is not about a constant decrease allegedly caused by a variety of factors which do not explain the lack of consistency in the Evolutionary theory. The anomaly is the impossibility that their population reductions could have happened in a measure that corresponds to 4,750 years without multiplying, per every 5,000 years. Because Human beings do multiply according to a regular basis which was not taken into consideration when the time proposed for their multiplication had been given by the Evolutionary theory.
Brief Summarized Signature
Real life Vs too pessimistic archeological surrealism
As certain as Die Hard, a pet kangaroo rat, has always an ace in the sleeve, ( whether the kangaroo rat bluffs or not ), it's only with a chronological basis that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying per every 5,000 years, that it would be possible for people in Europe to have taken 25 thousand years to reach 1 million.
If the number of children would be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval within the rows of 5,000 years from 55 to 35,000 years ago then there's still the option of stop drifting on numbers as if man is a beast, and as if everything that happens in life is a disgrace. That kind of chronological basis surpasses far beyond Hardy Har Har, a depressed, gloomy pessimistic hyena, always saying, 'I just know it's all going to go wrong'.
In Human Origins the ascertained truth of the facts has been constantly synthesized to an excessive and over exaggerated dependence on farming activity since it wasn't a fundamental condition for Humans to grow and multiply but just one of the options they chose. Let’s not talk about farming and agricultural technology as if 55,000 families of European fishermen, who never chose to do anything different, would depend so much on changing their fishing into agricultural activities so that they continued to grow and multiply.
For this reason many graphs that are made as alleged evidence of accuracy of the Evolutionary theory for Human origins do not show numbers of fishermen as they do with farming since fishermen in Europe could increase from 1,000 to 50,000 people in the least per every thousand years. Time for seeing beyond the spoon: The more children a farmer had, the more labor force was available for them to increase the production of the farm. Given the lack of technology in those days, the population growth was a solution and not a problem.
Observation shows that when Humans spread to a territory, this fact does not originate groups of different languages and ethnies. To the contrary, it brings miscegenation and then causes some languages and ethnies to disappear. That the sets of groups did not spread to Europe during the time proposed for their multiplication by the Evolutionary theory, is that which is ascertained by elimination.
According to Echoes in the words ‘No one called us to the land’, the appearance of these sets of groups in Europe occurred simultaneously. There is still the open road to new discoveries: That 42 different Linguistic Ethnic groups were previously selected by intelligent designer is the only possibility that was not proved wrong. That is why, by elimination, you ascertain they were brought to the land all at one time, otherwise Europe would be one miscegenated people.
Albanians Crimean Tatars Germanic people Portuguese
Armenians Croats Greeks Romanians
Aromanians Czech Hungarians Russian
Basques Dutch Igbo people Scottish
Belarusians Estonian Irish people Slovenes
Ethnic groups in Belgium Finnish Italians Spanish people
Bosniaks French Latvians Swedes
British people Gaelic Lithuanians Swiss
Bulgarians Georgians Macedonian Turks
Celts German people Netherlands Ukrainians
Cossacks Polish
Source: Wikipedia, European Ethnic group Templates
Europe isn't so large that it could originate so much different languages and ethnies through the miscegenation, the mixing involved in the Evolutionary theory. All of non-Russian Europe fits into the map of Brazil where the language became one. Evolutionary theory implies that the miscegenation in Europe would have taken place for a time longer than 25,000 years. Turning back to real European life, people take a walk and in awhile they are spread all over the hills and far away.
EVOLUTION VERSUS EMANATION OF LIVING ENERGY
If they should say to you: 'From whence have you come?' say to them: 'We have come from the Light, from the place where the light emanates of itself, arises and appears in our image.' If someone says to you: 'Who are you?' say: 'We are first-fruits of the living Light.' If they should ask you: 'What sign of living Light is in you?' tell them: 'It is a movement and yet motionless.' In the living word ( glittering with lightning through the density of the clouds ) was the life, and the life was the light of man. The life energy was the light of the Human body.
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Message 2 of 144 (701374)
06-05-2013 10:03 PM


Providing the Ultimate Rank of what matters more
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But you know there is a rank of what matters more. It’s up to you to stop a mistake on progress, and tell people why not see when a theory becomes obsolete,
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1st Sponsorships and financial support to Universities ought not to be lost. 2nd Institutes’ reputation ought not to be damaged. 3rd The sales of many books must continue without damages. 4th As teacher on Human origins you must keep your job.
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SIGN OF ANOMALY
. Year | World Population in Millions
70,000 BC | <0.015
10,000 BC | 1
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Message 4 of 144 (701376)
06-07-2013 1:57 PM
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Seeing the open road to a third option
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Hi Admin Percy,
That which is being proposed, and the good point about promoting this thread, is give people a chance to speak with words, rather than just 11 dislike icons, by posting the firm reasons why the statements in the O.P. would be wrong.
Let's discuss, for example, the point from the transcription that says: ‘Life energy and existence never had a beginning. Because no beginning of life is found outside of what is already living.’
Because the fundamental essence of what is being declared makes sense to a lot of people, that is, the impossibility of 'life being formed ( or having a beginning ) outside of what is already living'
( But the evolution theory, in regards to the beginning of life, might disagree and state otherwise ),
The beginning of life according to evolution theory implies that it is possible for you to create life outside of what is already living since it would have naturally occurred, allegedly, according to many men. However, no results of such experiment were demonstrated indeed. Don’t you wonder,
If even man, with all perfection, intelligence and resources, was not able to produce the results to that experiment ( of creating a beginning of life outside of what’s already living; which would prove the accuracy of evolution theory )
then is it not too obvious that nature does not do it all by itself ?
That is why there is a third option which is neither creation by the god or elohim and its doctrine of miserability and hypocrisy,
nor evolution and its hidden implication of an alleged beginning of life which would have taken place outside of what is already living.
For who ever start to see the open road to new possibilities, considering a third option doesn’t sound crazy.
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The writing mentioned in the first paragraph belongs to Elizabeth Tzshlem Beth.
( The rough translations are not the final English version )
For more info about 'Written on the outside and Sealed Within' the readers might send an E-mail to, 'sealedwithin -- then @ -- gmail.com'
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Message 6 of 144 (701378)
06-08-2013 11:02 PM
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Re: Seeing the open road to a third option
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Life energy and existence never had a beginning. Because no beginning of life is found outside of what is already living.
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Admin Percy, the above statement is about the impossibility of life having had a beginning outside of what is already living'.
But a theory [ the evolution theory ] is fundamentally based on the belief that it would have been possible.
Many men have the habit of believing that the beginning of life would have started somewhere in the past, and then life would have evolved from that point.
But if it was so then it would be possible for you to create life outside of what is already living.
That is, man should be able to reproduce, by experiment, the exact conditions in which life would have started all by itself for the first time since that beginning of life would have happened naturally somewhere in the past ( according to the evolution theory ).
However, no results of such experiment were demonstrated indeed.
Have you ever wondered,
If even man with all perfection, intelligence and resources, was not able to create a beginning of life outside of what’s already living
( which would prove the inerrancy of the fundamental basis of the evolution theory )
then is it not too obvious that nature does not do it all by itself ?
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That is why there is a third option: EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT ( ENERGY ), which has nothing to do with 'life being created by the god or elohim.
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Message 8 of 144 (701380)
06-09-2013 12:06 PM
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06-09-2013 9:22 AM


Re: Seeing the open road to a third option
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As it was quoted before, there is energy in living things and it is in two forms, chemical and electrical energy.
Physical evidence that the Human body is product of Emanation of Living Energy,
is the presence of simultaneity of that same Light or energy which moves as in a fading effect, in the Human brain,
also described as 'a movement and yet motionless'.
Because the permanence ( or duration of time ) of that movement is a simultaneous sequence, having nothing to do with continuous sequence of a second after another.
By relativity of simultaneity, that's what Einstein and other physicians have been telling you, 'There is another sequence of time which is time in simultaneous sequence. There is a time other than the continuous sequence of a second after another. The duration of a time interval between two events is not equal for all observers. It’s equal for inertial observers only.'
Knowing that time in simultaneous sequence is a permanence or duration of a time other than the continuous sequence of a second after another, life energy does echo in the nervous system and in the Human brain with the simultaneity required to produce your thoughts, imagination and knowledge.
To move in simultaneous sequence is a movement and yet motionless. You can see that same simultaneity when a lightning walks in heaven during a sequence of time that is not a continuous sequence. And as the duration of the time interval between two events is continuous for inertial observers only, even so the sequence of time of a non-inertial nervous quickening ( or trembling ) is simultaneous with the Initial time of life energy.
Another evidence that the Human body is product of Emanation of Living Light ( Energy ), and a sign of living Light in the Human body, is the physical result from the Genesis Experiment.
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Message 10 of 144 (701382)
06-10-2013 6:28 PM
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Re: Seeing the open road to a third option
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If there is no Sign of Living Light ( Energy; spirit ) emanating in you then the hardware ( the Human body ) and the software ( the Light or spirit ) that is you, would be one same thing. And would that light not be a darkness ?
When the body becomes a corpse then where does the living energy go ?
It returns to the source of life energy. However, when that person is forced to abandon the respective corpse; If there is no emanation of living Light then how could that Light ( life energy or spirit ) go anywhere ?
If there is no emanation of living Light then both ( the hardware; the corpse and the software; the life energy ) would be one same thing becoming even more darkness and dust of the ground.
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And what about the Genesis experiment, which is a recipe to physical immortality,
If a person eats nothing else than the compatible fruits,
will that person experiment death by old age ?
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Message 12 of 144 (701384)
06-12-2013 6:04 PM
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Re: Seeing the open road to a third option
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If "living energy" exists then there must be a means of detecting it.
The results from the Experiment based on the first instruction of Genesis would prove, by elimination,
that the Human body is not a product of natural selection. I'd recommend this in the Free For All forum since the 'Emanation of living Light' is a subject about new possibilities. A third option is like a road that is still to be seen and explored.
The above experiment would prove that Human body does not die of natural causes — For a body that was made out of the dust of the earth, and formed with the same nutrient properties that nurture all plants of the earth, it is not proper to digest dead flesh and incompatible food.
In order for a living flesh to digest the dead flesh it is necessary the production of a strong gastric juice which requires a gradual decomposition of living substances that are intrinsically and specifically human.
Therefore it is not natural or by natural causes when the death could be avoided by nourishing the Human body solely with fruits, the ones from compatible solid trees. That is, the death by old age can be avoided when one abstains from digesting incompatible foods.
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Message 14 of 144 (701386)
06-17-2013 4:41 PM
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Re: Seeing the open road to a third option
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Here is a brief description of the Directives for the experiment, in the subtitle 'Initiate the Immortality' ( From: Written on the outside and Sealed Within ),
Experiment: To nourish the Human body solely with fruits,
Only the compatible ones from solid trees
Time to complete reduction of intragastric acidity: 25 days
Time to re-initiate the *stability of the nervous system: 49 days
* The term stability implies that the nervous system is deemed unstable ( from day 1st to 42nd ) in the measure that a person would often be hungry for incompatible foods.
Immortality is initiated when the Human body is nourished only with fruits, specifically the compatible ones from solid trees. That keeps the medulla oblongata and the brain as new and the body free from the effects of the aging process.
When one abstains from digesting incompatible foods then all nutrient substances that are intrinsically Human, such as calcium, hormones and proteins, do not need at any moment to be set apart and decomposed for the production of the precise type of gastric juice that is required to digest dead flesh and regular food.
You can freely eat fruits from solid trees except one ( the fruit from the olive tree ).
The term solid trees makes distinction between actual trees and plants that are palm-trees or trees that do not endure 7 years in the least. - Samples of fruits from compatible solid trees: Morinda Citrifolia, Orange, Avocado, Fig, Peach, Persimmon and Jabuticaba. For sweetener: crystal sugar or honey.
The tree of life in real time — Morinda Citrifolia is the only solid tree that flowers and bare fruits twelve times a year, yielding her fruit every month. When the green fruit of the tree of life becomes scintillate white, then it is still without smell and a person has approximately three days to get it eaten. After three days then the Morinda fruit begins to liquefy and it suddenly disintegrates with a strong smell. Therefore this fruit was not made for trade. It was made specifically for nourishment when the fruit is scintillating white and without smell.
Morinda - Principal elements found: Calcium, Proteins, Fiber, Iron and Zinc.
Ultimate cause of death by old age — The Human body was designed and made out of the same nutrients found in the dust of the earth. You are what you eat. And if a person will continually digest the same type of nutrients with which the Human body was formed then that is what the body tends gradually to become: dust of the earth. Who ever sees that the Genesis experiment is for real has the option of not doing that gradual fall, by eating solely compatible nutrients that were designed specifically to keep the body free from death and diseases.
From the dust of the earth — The nutrients of incompatible food come from the dust of the ground.
From the solid trees — Nutrients of compatible fruits do not come from the dust of the ground. They are filtered essences produced by the solid tree itself. The extension of her trunk is made up of millions of little bitty tubes that do filter and separate the nutrients out. On this, the fruit of the solid tree is a nutrient property given exclusively by the tree.
From the fruits of the solid trees you can freely eat, however, you can not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil ( e.g.: the fruit of the olive tree and olive oil ) for whenever you eat from it you will be ( gradually ) dying.
The above directive is about possibility in regards to the limit of the body: it is not possible to eat incompatible food and, at the same time, not be doing a gradual fall to the dust of the ground.
The word from the Initial Time does not speak about a law that can be broken nor a line that can be trespassed. It is about an extreme limit one can not go further. If it was possible to go beyond the line then who ever trespassed it would not die. Indeed the words that initiate, as originally written in the book of the ancients, have nothing to do with giving an order or commandment since orders are forgotten and commandments can be constantly broken.
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Message 26 of 144 (701716)
06-24-2013 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Taq
06-18-2013 11:59 AM


Impossibility of creating a beginning of life
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Taq,
What about the results from the experiment ( of creating a beginning of life outside of what is living ) ?
The result would prove the inerrancy of the evolution belief.
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quote:
Life energy and existence never had a beginning.
Because no beginning of life is found outside of what is already living.
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What is being declared is the impossibility of life having had a beginning outside of what is already living'. But a theory [ the evolution theory ] is fundamentally based on the belief that it would have been possible. Many men have the habit of believing that the beginning of life would have started somewhere in the past, and then life would have evolved from that point. But if it was so then it would be possible for you to create life outside of what is already living.
That is, man should be able to reproduce, by experiment, the exact conditions in which life would have started all by itself for the first time since that beginning of life would have happened naturally somewhere in the past, allegedly. However, the results of such experiment were not demonstrated indeed. Have you ever wondered,
If even man, with all perfection, intelligence and resources, was not able to create a beginning of life outside of what’s already living ( which would prove the accuracy of the evolution theory ) then is it not too obvious that nature does not do it all by itself ?
That is why there is a third option: EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT.
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Message 28 of 144 (701996)
06-28-2013 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Taq
06-25-2013 4:33 PM


Comprehending the Existence - Emanentism Vs Transcendentalism
Hi Taq,
There was a distinction to be made, bringing up the difference between both perspectives since the evolution theory ( in regards to the origin of life ) utilizes a common transcendental vision of the reality.
This distinction is already known by the equation Emanentism Vs Transcendentalism.
The evolution theory sees the origin of life in a Transcendental vision,
that is 'The origin of life would have started occasionally somewhere in the past and then it would have evolved from that point.
The above transcendental vision in regards to the origin of life is not even a perception since the results were not demonstrated. Man is not able to create a beginning of life outside of what is already living.
Therefore the evolution theory ( in regards to the origin of life ) is not a teaching based on perception of the reality or ascertained truth of the facts. It's a belief. It's a transcendental and visionary form of believing that the Life energy and Existence would be forever slaves to Causality, as it was quoted before,
There would be ’only one constant; the only real force: Causality; Action, reaction; cause and effect . Choice is an illusion, created between those with power and those without . Causality. There is no escape from it. We are forever slaves to it.'
However, the Life energy and Existence is not dependent on the continuous sequence of a second after another.
If it was so then the physicians would not have spoken about Relativity of Simultaneity and there would not be another sequence ( or duration ) of time which is time in simultaneous sequence. Not even the Light of your thoughts, memories given by the dreams, imagination and knowledge would be flowing in a movement and yet motionless, ( that is the fading effect of simultaneity ), if, in fact, the reality and the existence was so fused into the continuous sequence of a second after another.
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______________________ Life energy and Trepidation Graph ______________________
|________________________ Simultaneity of the Initial Time
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|____ Time of impact for termination __|______ Time of impact for mediation
|_______ of continuous sequence ______|___ Immediate and simultaneous sequence
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|____________ Determinism ____________|_____________ Freedom _________________
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|________ Involuntary trembling ________|________ Free agency trepidation _______
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|______ Causality; cause and effect _____|______________ Choice __________________
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|_____ life energy flows by reaction ____|_____ life energy flows by freewill _______
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The transcendentalism is based on a mistake of the Human perception.
The mistake is not seeing that the 'Life energy and existence never had a beginning ( in the duration of time of a second after another )',
If the Life energy of the living beings would have had an origin or beginning somewhere in the past then it would be possible for man to create an origin or beginning of life outside of what is already living.
What is being declared ( the impossibility of life having had a beginning outside of what is already living' ) is better explained through the Emanentism.
By Emanentism it is comprehended that the Reality and the Existence do emanate from perception, and the perception is produced by the source of the Life energy.
'The Life energy ( in the Living Beings ) does not act in the action itself but in the form of action'.
All things ( the ants, the bees, fish, birds, wasps and other animals ..... ) do act according to a specific form of action which has nothing to do with instinct.
Investigators do know that the presence of a pattern does indicate a serial form of action, which implies that the action is not caused by instinct or past lives experiences.
Their specific form of action is entirely controlled by the Life energy that emanates in the Living beings.
By the Emanence of Living Light, from the perspective of the Life energy flowing in the Human body,
the light is greater than times, thought and realm.
When you come to be who you are
[ that is, *when you become a person that can say about yourself: I AM THAT I AM ]
then you ascertain that you are first-fruit of living Light
If you do not come to be who you are
then the reality you are in is a poverty
and you are that poverty
Seeing from the perspective of the Living Light ( or the Life energy ) that flows in the Human body -There is nothing coming from the visible things but from the form that you see them.
So the meaning - the reality can be changed, from poverty and victim of circumstances to immortality and happiness. - 'Nothing does exist without the means by which reality and existence are seen, heard and perceived'.
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Access to the life energy - Shortest distance between two points — Simultaneity
Another Look at Echoes
An echo of a distant time — Knowing that time in simultaneous sequence is a permanence or duration of a time other than the continuous sequence of a second after another, life energy does echo emanating in the living beings. Time in simultaneous sequence is an echo of the Initial time of life energy. The duration of the life energy is time in immediate and simultaneous sequence.
You and your life energy are two separate glances that can meet whether by chance or taking by the hand: In order for you to access your life energy the shortest distance between two points is accessible by an immediate sequence of nervous trepidation through which life energy does echo. Because another part of you is taken by the hand: You can access the sequence of time of your life energy by pressing the palms of both hands together. No separation between you and your life energy will be seen but simultaneity: And I am you and what I see is me.
Up ahead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air — To move in simultaneous sequence is a movement and yet motionless. In a nervous trembling or trepidation there is motion in simultaneous sequence like a fading effect, also when a lightning walks in heaven during a sequence of time that is not a continuous sequence. And as the duration of the time interval between two events is continuous for inertial observers only, the sequence of time of a non-inertial nervous trepidation is simultaneous with the Initial time of life energy.
The continuous sequence of a second after another is only the same for inertial observers. For who ever will retain the initial time of life energy, that continuous sequence is terminated in the measure that it is replaced with an immediate and simultaneous one.
No one speaks and no one tries
No one speaks what is unspeakable when referring to ordinary men. You can't say 'I Am that I Am' if the truth is that 'you are what you eat'. For there is a line to be crossed connecting you to your Life energy, by substituting your regular foods with what is living.
No one crosses there alive — You come into being in the measure that another part of you passes away by eating solely what is living. The fruits from compatible solid trees are extensions from what is living.
In the access to the Life energy it is necessary to stop eating what is incompatible for the body so that one can cross the line from unspeakable to speakable. For the verb To Be in Hebrew: Haveh ( Am ) can be spoken not just with words of the mouth. When a person eats solely what is compatible for the body then a person becomes able to speak I Am in reference to the Life energy that you are. In times that one's Life energy is re-initiated, it is also extended by nervous quickening or trepidation.
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1st. phrimi - time of permanence of the initial time of a glittering light
2nd. seqencea - immediate sequence of the initial time of phrimi
3rd. trmina - time of impact for termination of continuous sequence
. mediata - time of impact for mediation and shortening between phrimi and permanenci
Lacnica - time of shortening of the light that connects knowledge and thoughts
simultanea - simultaneous and immediate sequence of mediation and shortening
permanenci - time of permanence of the light in simultaneous sequence
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The sequence of time of Life energy
There is energy in living things and it is in two forms, chemical and electrical energy. When a nervous trembling or trepidation occurs, the duration of time of the trembling is in immediate sequence connecting the physical ( the nervous system ) to the appropriate sequence of time ( that is the initial time of life energy ) through which a high range of life energy is achieved.
Trepidation or nervous quickening is an involuntary trembling caused whether by rage, fear or pleasure. It’s an expression of life energy flowing. Also occurs when one trembles by pressing the palms of both hands together. When keeping the palms of both hands together up high, pressed to each other, for approximately 17 minutes then the nervous trepidation will occur spontaneously. Permanence time is the duration of time that is expected for the life energy to stay in the Human body.
When the sequence of time of nervous trepidation is accessed by choice then the permanence time or duration of life energy can be extended endlessly.
The sequence of time of a quickening by imposition of hands is 'time of impact for mediation and shortening between the right and left side of one's brain'. It’s also mediation and shortening between two poles, phrimi and permanenci that become gathered simultaneously: that simultaneity is access to the initial time of life energy and the shortest distance between two points.
Replacing a continuous sequence with an immediate one
Trepidation or nervous quickening is required in moments of pleasure because the usual movement in continuous sequence is not physically enough for a high range of life energy. Therefore a sequence that terminates: the continuous sequence of a second after another is substituted with a shortening - an immediate sequence that equates to the duration of the initial time of life energy.
By the sequence of time of life energy a new life is generated. And as the pleasure is best retained by the sequence of time of a trepidation or nervous quickening, which approximates the physical to the initial time of life energy, even so the transference of life energy occurs in immediate and simultaneous sequence during the physical movement through which a new life is generated.
The understanding of times and relativity of simultaneity applies to the activity of life in electrical form. And it applies whether to the simultaneity of electrical impulses in fading effect within one’s brain or to the fading effect of a lightning moving through the density of the clouds.
Life energy in electrical form has life emanating of itself
Trepidation or nervous quickening flows through the nervous system and is increased by the same life energy. Life in electrical form emanates of itself because the sequence of time of a quickening or trepidation, being immediate and simultaneous sequence, is a movement that corresponds to a time of impact that generates all by itself a duration or permanence of that same motion. It does not depend on a continual sequence of a second after another. That time of impact is . mediata - mediation and shortening between phrimi and permanenci.
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Question often asked — What makes it possible for a person to abstain from incompatible foods and eat solely the fruits from the compatible solid trees?
It’s a simple equation,
Exchange a certainty of death ( in case you keep eating incompatible foods )
for a possibility of life and happiness.
Exchange a system in which you have nothing to win,
for a system in which you have nothing to lose.
To initiate the immortality is keeping the garment ( the skin that dresses the body ) as new and the wineskin ( the brain and the nervous system ) as new. No one sews a patch of new fabric on a garment that is getting old. - So the meaning, It is not possible to remedy or restore, by new consumptions of food the substances intrinsically Human as the skin. And no one puts new wine ( new consumptions of food ) into old wineskins.
If the purpose is that the bride ( the Life energy ) should not be taken away from the bridal chamber (the Human body) then these are seasons and times for one to abstain from incompatible foods.
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Message 32 of 144 (702073)
06-30-2013 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by ringo
06-29-2013 1:29 PM


Re: Comprehending Equality
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Hi Ringo,
They are equals because both options equate to a certainty,
and at the same time both options equate to a possibility.
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E.g.: If a person does choose the 'nothing to lose' option, it's a 100 % Certainty that (s)he will be losing the moments of knowing the foods once more.
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quote:
A knowledge of good and evil consequences
The fruit of the olive tree is a fruit from a solid tree, however it is also cooking oil. The flavor of the olive oil was not made to match with fruits from compatible solid trees. The olives were made to be cooking oil and go well with the desire to know the food again since that knowledge does not endure. To work for a food that perishes and leads to annihilation is paying with one's life for a knowledge that does not remain: It doesn't endure more than a moment when knowing the food once more.
On a time when the meaning of the word death was not expressed by the use of one specific word, and the term to die was not known yet by the first hearers, the ancient term to return to the dust of the ground was utilized to describe a literal fall of man, as in the original sense of the word pecare: to precipitate literally, having nothing to do with fall in the sense of spiritual or moral fall. It was only later that the real meaning of pecare was synthesized in mixed versions to include the alleged ( moral or spiritual ) fall of ( the ) man.
The sense of spiritual or moral fall was added to the versions that were made for religion, containing the belief that all the rest of the people should consider themselves fallen and punished because of the choices made by another person. And then to the word pecare another meaning was added: to sin. However, in countries that speak Latin languages, the original sense of the word pecare ( to precipitate ) is still used, when fruits still small do precipitate falling from a tree all by themselves, people call them pecados ( precipitated ones ).
People make the choice of paying a price for food and bread and no one calls it punishment. Even so the hidden words of Genesis as originally written, spoken to the ones who ate incompatible food, do refer to a price to be paid in case one keeps on choosing that option. There was never an alleged original sin but an initial choice: Regardless of whoever first did or whoever continues making that same choice until the day that is called Today.
The ultimate cause that originates a gradual precipitation and literal fall of return to the dust of the ground is choosing what is incompatible for the body. But in mixed versions the truth was synthesized for making believe that the words from the Initial Time are not eternal. That instruction would not be valid any more because after the alleged ( moral or spiritual ) fall of ( the ) man, even those who were not born yet should consider themselves fallen. People were taught that the option of staying free from a death that could be avoided pertains to the past.
The instruction about eating solely what is compatible for the body would allegedly not be valid anymore, as highlighted in paraphrases which quote the hidden words of Genesis as originally written,
And they counted not on a recompense of justice nor discern the innocent souls' reward. Neither did they know the hidden words of the books of the ancients: For I AM formed man to be imperishable; the likeness of I AM own nature (s)he made him. But for [ free choice in the ] *despise of the evil, death was left [as an option] for the world, and they who choose the evil experience it.
* despise of what is evil — The term despise of the evil was substituted with 'envy of the devil' in the translations that were left to belong to the ministry of the eighth kingdom.
They who said among themselves, thinking not aright: "Brief and troubled is our lifetime; neither is there any remedy for man's dying; For our lifetime is the passing of a shadow; and our dying cannot be deferred because it is fixed with a seal. Let us condemn [a man] to *a death that does not dignify.
* a death that could be avoided by nourishing the Human body solely with fruits, the ones from compatible solid trees, does not dignify. The death by old age can be avoided when one abstains from digesting incompatible foods.
* The condemnation is not seeing nor hearing what is truth but believing in spirits of men by not verifying for consistency of versions of scripture that were left to the doctrines of faiths of the earth.
For if [ regular ] food was made for the stomach then the stomach would have been made for food and it would not be brought to naught.
In the New Living Translation, the original words are found eclipsed and a parenthesis exposes a section that was not there: You say, ‘Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.' ( This is true, though someday ). English Standard Version substitutes the parenthesis with a dash.
The fruits of a tree were made to be extensions of what is living. e.g.: Morinda citrifolia, avocado, orange, peach, persimmon; And when a person eats continuously what is not living then the nervous system becomes incompatible; because the sequence of time in it is too continuous and not permanent. E.g.: the grains of rice or beans are not living anymore when a person eats them.
Mean old levee; taught me to weep and moan
When the levee breaks or when a person dies by old age, there is the procedure of weeping and moaning according to the habits of the old levees who teach: that one must make a seventh day mass and pray for the dead. However, every prayer ritual and the practice of praying for the dead are teachings not found in the book of life of the lamb. On this, if your levee will break because of giving credit, the guarantee that comes from who believes that your body will have to become dust of the ground anyway; On that day, cryin’ won’t help you. Prayer won’t do you no good.
It's got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home
A man who is like a mountain doesn't have the habit of going anywhere nor can be convinced beforehand to leave his body that is home and tabernacle made for the light, unless an old levee of souls has got what it takes to cause him to precipitate believing that he was made to die or that he would have to leave his home, tabernacle of his body:
Seeing a doctrinal image of the eighth kingdom ( State of Vatican )
built upon the scribes’ perspective of the open sepulcher
For fifteen centuries a mixed cup overflowed. Another version for the book of Genesis and all the rest of the books of scriptures was built for the usage of who ever identifies himself with religion, who ever is told what to do by the man, and for those who take advantage from a circumstance of gloom for a need of giving credit, so that they might say that, believing, they are creditors of merit to salvation.
The image and semblance of the doctrine of scribes from the doctorates on Hebrew is a sequence of camouflages made for visualization of their open sepulchers, empty awaiting for them.
To camouflage the hidden words of Genesis is making believe that the Human body was formed to have as design and plan: to become dust of the ground since the words from the Initial Time, about eating solely what is compatible for the body to stay free from death, would not be valid anymore. The first words spoken to man after the Human body was formed would have ceased from being eternal words in these days.
To camouflage the design and plan of the Human body is making believe that after the alleged ( moral or spiritual ) fall of ( the ) man, all the rest of the people should consider themselves fallen and consequently punished because of the choices made by a corruptible man. Scribes and Hebraists from the doctorates on Modern Hebrew, having the keys of the books of the ancients, hid them: nor did they enter, and those who desired to enter, they permitted them not. When seeing versions of scripture that were left for the religions, one needs to be prudent as [ when dealing with ] serpents and, at the same time, innocent as doves.
Dove's eyes do focus on images with a sharper vision.
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Message 36 of 144 (702232)
07-02-2013 3:23 PM
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07-02-2013 12:01 PM


Re: Comprehending Equality
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Ringo,
For many people it's better to die than live without their regular foods ( which are their happiness and at the same time 100% certainty that they will die ).
and for many, the money they lose in the casino is worth the pleasure and happiness of participating in the casino once more.
And if you tell them what the real happiness is
then they would tell you: that happiness ( without regular foods ) is not a Certainty but just a possibility.
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Message 37 of 144 (702239)
07-02-2013 4:58 PM
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07-02-2013 2:57 PM


Evidence of Simultaneity
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Hi RAZD,
What becomes obsolete are specifically 2 concepts: Origin of life and Human Origins.
1st concept - the fundamental basis of the evolution theory = the origin of life starting occasionally somewhere in the past, and having a beginning outside of what is already living.
Up to the present, the evolution theory ( in regards to the origin of life ) is not a teaching based on perception of the reality or ascertained truth of the facts.
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2nd concept - that the size of the Human brain would be product of natural selection. This concept becomes obsolete by Four different means,
‘Math proof of the Population Growth Models’, 'Evidence of Simultaneity - Previous Non-miscegenation of the European population', 'Impossibility of creating a beginning of life outside of what is already living' and ‘Physical proof that results from Genesis Experiment’.
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Therefore, a theory becomes obsolete not only when it has been proven false but also when 2 or more concepts are not a teaching based on perception of the reality or real science ( ascertained truth of the facts ).
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And what about the Evidence of Simultaneity,
Did the Humans spread to Europe during the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory ?
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quote:
Observation shows that when Humans spread to a territory all by themselves, this fact does not originate groups of different languages and ethnies. To the contrary, it brings miscegenation and then causes some languages and ethnies to disappear.
Evidence of Simultaneity consists in the fact that families of Humans did not spread to Europe during the time proposed for their multiplication by the Evolution theory.
According to the simultaneity of Echoes in the words ‘No one called us to the land’ the coming of these sets of groups to Europe occurred simultaneously, all at one time. They were previously selected and settled in their respective lands otherwise Europe would be one miscegenated people even before they could become 42 different linguistic and ethnic groups.
Albanians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Crimean Tatars . . . . . Germanic people . . . . Portuguese
Armenians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Croats . . . . . . . . . . . . Greeks . . . . . . . . . . . Romanians
Aromanians . . . . . . . . . . . . . Czech . . . . . . . . . . . . Hungarians . . . . . . . . Russian
Basques . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dutch . . . . . . . . . . . . Igbo people . . . . . . . . Scottish
Belarusians . . . . . . . . . . . . . Estonian . . . . . . . . . . Irish people . . . . . . . . Slovenes
Ethnic groups in Belgium . . . . Finnish . . . . . . . . . . . Italians . . . . . . . . . . . Spanish people
Bosniaks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . French . . . . . . . . . . . Latvians . . . . . . . . . . Swedes
Brittish people . . . . . . . . . . . . Gaelic . . . . . . . . . . . . Lithuaneans . . . . . . . Swiss
Bulgarians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Georgians . . . . . . . . . Macedonian . . . . . . . Turks
Celts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . German people . . . . . Netherlands . . . . . . . Ukrainians
Cossacks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Polish
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Europe isn't so large that it could originate so much different languages and ethnies through a system of miscegenation which is the precise mixing implied in the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body. All of non-Russian Europe fits into the map of Brazil where the language became One. Evolution theory implies that the miscegenation in Europe would have taken place for a time longer than 55 thousand years. Turning back to real European life, people take a walk and in awhile they are spread all over the hills and far away.
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Message 41 of 144 (702349)
07-04-2013 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by RAZD
07-02-2013 6:42 PM


The Standard Response Frequently Posted
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RAZD,
If the evolution theory is not fundamentally based on a specific conception of abiogenesis ( or origin-of-life outside of what is already living ),
how do you know that life only arose once or occasionally?
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Knowing that the evolution theory is based on the concept that organisms evolved from creatures similar from themselves ( Or, more specifically, from organisms in the cambrian explosion ) and all sharing a common ancestor,
It is plain to see that the alleged separation between evolution and origin of life ( or abiogenesis ) is what best covers up camouflaging the impossibility of life having had an origin ( or beginning ) outside of what is living.
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When Intelligent Design advocates talk to evolutionists concerning the origin-of-life,
the standard response is almost always something like "Evolutionary theory says nothing about the origin of life .. .. evolution is an entirely different subject than abiogenesis".
So, the question is, why is it that Darwinists are so adamant about the separation between abiogenesis and evolution?
1.Common worldview the set of assumptions that lead to thinking that Darwinism is true might be the same set of assumptions that lead to thinking of the Darwinian view of abiogenesis. Thus, you keep it as a working conception. The idea that they are unlinked stems from the fact that, from Darwinian assumptions, the constraints of abiogenesis mean that it must fall within the Darwinian concept, even if the details are sketchy. The idea that other forms of origin-of-life might affect all of this never enters the thinking on the basis that people who believe those things are nutty and only need to be placated (oh yes, evolution does not rule out that God was the originator of life now move along and don’t ask any questions about the nature of that origin or how it might affect the rest of evolution), not treated rationally.
2.Embarrassment it could be that many Darwinists know that studies of abiogenesis have been woeful at best. Despite the fact that Darwinism is rooted on assumptions that include abiogenesis, they are worried that the failure of abiogenesis studies will reflect poorly on evolutionary theory. Therefore, the disconnecting of abiogenesis with Darwinism is a means of life-preservation to simply cut off from discussion the more abysmal findings about the theory. Of course the problems with abiogenesis are basically the same as with RM+NS evolution how does information arise on its own? It’s just a more pronounced problem with abiogenesis and not as easy to wish away.
3.Tradition the notions of universal common ancestry, RM+NS, and abiogenesis are so thoroughly embedded in evolutionary tradition, that practitioners have difficulty separating out the received wisdom from the empirical data. Therefore, even though they know that evolutionary theory _should_ be separate from abiogenesis, they have too much institutional baggage to deal with the issue on a broad scale, and noting the implications it could have across the board. Those who attempt to do so in one area are shot down by others more entrenched in evolutionary tradition.
(if you think of others, please post them in the comments)
The biggest problem I have is not as much with Darwinists having this concept of abiogenesis or with them basing their theory on it. All ID-based theories likewise have their own conceptions of the origin-of-life that their theories come from, some of which include common ancestry. The problem is the deceptive tactics of pretending that their theory is separable from abiogenesis. That is simply not intellectually honest.
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So, my take is, Darwin publicly made the separation, but privately knew the connection. Haeckel tried to tie the two together. But when Haeckel’s idea was disproven, evolutionary theory conveniently reverted to Darwin’s public demarcation to avoid the embarrassment. Had spontaneous generation succeeded, no doubt there would not be any demarcation. Likewise, today, if abiogensis succeeds (which it will not), then how quickly would the Darwinist redefine their theory to include abiogenesis?
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Quoted from the subtitle 'Pretending that Evolutionary Theory is Separable from Abiogenesis'

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : paragraph 2
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : concept that organisms

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Message 46 of 144 (703103)
07-15-2013 4:55 PM
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07-04-2013 9:59 PM


Re: The Standard Response Frequently Posted
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I agree, there was a problem whose solution required the proper usage of words,
E.g., 'Evolutionists' point of view about the origin-of-life'
'Evolutionary theory' rather than 'evolution theory'
quote:
the Life energy and Existence never had a beginning or origin in the continuous sequence of a second after another.
But a theory of the Evolutionists, Abiogenesis, is fundamentally based on the belief that it would have been possible.
The evolutionists do see the origin of life in a Transcendental vision, that is 'The origin of life would have started occasionally somewhere in the past and then it would have evolved from that point’.
The origin-of-life as the Evolutionists see it is not a teaching based on perception of the reality since the results were not demonstrated. Man is not able to create a beginning of life outside of what is already living.
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