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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Where you see the little astericks on my post, that is where Percy's software edits the word m o r o n But not the word blowjobs! Which makes Percy alright by me. - Oni
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3658 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Stephen C. Meyer:
Bachelors degree in Earth Science and Physics-Whitworth CollegePh.D. History & Philosophy of Science, Cambridge University Professor of Philosophy- Whitworth College Founder of the Discovery Institute Percy the CrankHead: Website has blue colors.Owns a big rubber horn. Doesn't have time to learn cosmology, but knows a crank when he sees one. Edited by Bolder-dash, : No reason given.
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Alphabob Member (Idle past 1132 days) Posts: 55 Joined: |
Redshift becomes less directionally dependent as distance increases. Locally we should see galaxies and clusters along the shortest directions to the central core accelerating away. In the opposite direction, we are accelerating away from galaxies and clusters with higher gravitational potential. So the majority of objects will appear to be receding. Current surveys only cover small portions of the sky, so there is a large gap in data with respect to the directional dependence of galaxies and clusters.
There will however be objects with blueshift locally and in specific directions. So far there are 7000+ galaxies with blueshift and they are uniquely distributed. Although only a blog, the author plotted most of these and provides a link to the NED database. (Distribution of Blue Shifted Galaxies). More distant objects will all have redshift, where current SNIa data does not fit isotropic expansion from 0.1z to 0.5z. I plotted these in figure 3.21, where uncertainty is too small to be fit by lambda-CDM predictions (black lines). Beyond 0.5z the uncertainty becomes too large to make any sort of conclusion. http://thecontinuousuniverse.com/images/Figure%204.12.JPG Edited by Alphabob, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Dash writes: Percy the CrankHead: When you are suspended again for the 145th time, the reason for the action will of course be a complete mystery to you.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Redshift becomes less directionally dependent as distance increases. Locally we should see galaxies and clusters along the shortest directions to the central core accelerating away. In the opposite direction, we are accelerating away from galaxies and clusters with higher gravitational potential. And so if we look along a line perpendicular to a line drawn between us and the center we see ... what? What you need to explain is this. Our experience of red shift is symmetrical. Yet you explain it in terms of a thing (the center) which is obviously not distributed symmetrically around us, but is in one particular direction from our position. Now, how does a completely asymmetric cause have a completely symmetric effect? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8558 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The wonderfully twisted mind of a comedian. Gotta love it! Thanks, Onifre.
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Alphabob Member (Idle past 1132 days) Posts: 55 Joined: |
If you were to look in a direction perpendicular to the core's direction from Earth, there would be a mixture of redshift and blueshift locally. It's basically a large bulk flow accelerating into a gravitational potential, so there will be variations in density and relative velocity. Due to the deflection of light over large distances, these directions begin to point towards the central region. This is what the dispersion in figure 3.21 is from, i.e. observations do not fit isotropic expansion.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If you were to look in a direction perpendicular to the core's direction from Earth, there would be a mixture of redshift and blueshift locally. And of course we see blue and red shifted galaxies in any direction we look. This answer is useless. What is being asked here is to distinguish between what we ought to see in directions along and perpendicular to the direction to the galactic core according to your hypothesis about the universe. Can you make a specific prediction that we can compare with reality.
Due to the deflection of light over large distances, these directions begin to point towards the central region. How does this 'light deflection" create a CMBR that appears to be highly isotropic based on the view from our solar system? The CMBR seems to come from all directions and not from any central location.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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jasonlang Member (Idle past 3431 days) Posts: 51 From: Australia Joined: |
(EDIT: A response to post #96 not #95, I don't post here often and assumed the reply link was at the top of each post, not the bottom)
Quote from AlphaBob:
quote: "purposed"? Surely you mean "proposed"? Does your voice activation thing misunderstand you? I would have thought those two words were pronounced rather differently. Edited by jasonlang, : No reason given. Edited by jasonlang, : No reason given. Edited by jasonlang, : No reason given.
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jasonlang Member (Idle past 3431 days) Posts: 51 From: Australia Joined:
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quote:Dude, that Nobel Laureate now specializes in telepathy studies. Regardless of what he may have done before, his current work is pure crank. That's logic. A Nobel prize isn't a blank cheque for everything you do after that to be considered utterly brilliant by some sort of fiat. Edited by jasonlang, : No reason given.
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Alphabob Member (Idle past 1132 days) Posts: 55 Joined: |
There are various factors involved in the local redshift including bulk flows. My paper only focuses on redshift beyond 0.1z, which is relatively close. What should be seen according to my theory is a directional dependence of distance versus redshift for SNIa. Unlike galaxy surveys, SNIa act as standard candles and are nearly equally distributed in all directions. So the plot of SNIa provides exactly what is predicted by my model. The average error below 0.5z in figure 3.21 is less than 0.21u, where the black lines are predictions from the big bang theory and red lines are from mine.
http://thecontinuousuniverse.com/images/Figure%204.12.JPG As for the CMBR, the temperature appears isotropic because only gravitational redshift and relative motion will vary it. With the surface of the central core having constant relative redshift (gravitational), the deflection of light simply projects it into all directions locally. The dipole moment arises from the relative motion of the solar system. There is also some scattering from intergalactic gas or the hot x-ray emitting gas in local clusters. Edited by Alphabob, : No reason given. Edited by Alphabob, : No reason given.
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Alphabob Member (Idle past 1132 days) Posts: 55 Joined: |
I'm not going to worry about a single typo over 43 posts. I know the difference between purpose and proposed.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
As for the CMBR, the temperature appears isotropic because only gravitational redshift and relative motion will vary it. With the surface of the central core having constant relative redshift (gravitational), the deflection of light simply projects it into all directions locally. The dipole moment arises from the relative motion of the solar system. There is also some scattering from intergalactic gas or the hot x-ray emitting gas in local clusters. This would need to be backed up by some math. I read this claim in your paper and it wasn't well supported there either. It is counter-intuitive that CMBR would come from a single point in a non-expanding universe and yet still be traveling towards us from all directions billions of years after it was emitted and appear almost completely isotropic. On the other hand, that state of affairs is easily understood from standard cosmology. Added by Edit
What should be seen according to my theory is a directional dependence of distance versus redshift for SNIa. This is not an answer to any question that I asked you. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Alphabob Member (Idle past 1132 days) Posts: 55 Joined: |
quote: quote: Some directions travel more distance than others until they sufficiently deflect towards the central region. So by measuring the redshift and distance of SNIa in all directions, the specific predictions of my model can be compared to realilty. As for redshift below 0.1z, the galaxies with blueshift are concentrated in specific regions. My theory predicts for blueshift to occur more frequently in directions perpendicular to the central core. However, there are also bulk flows of clusters and SNIa locally; so every aspect cannot be defined by a single equation. My equations only provide the entire range of redshift versus distance, not the directional dependence.
quote:It is backed by math, that is what multipoles are. The relativistic jets are clearly visible on the cleaned CMBR image and show up in the quadrupole+octupole. The quadrupole moment aligns with the central core and the location of these jets. The source of the CMBR has always existed, so the universe is saturated with electromagnetic energy from the classical black body radiation. If our perspective is that of galaxies and clusters falling back towards the central region, then the source of the CMBR must also be projected in all directions locally. The theory is a steady state with embedded bulk flows.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 376 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Now, how does a completely asymmetric cause have a completely symmetric effect?
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