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jar
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Message 511 of 759 (702769)
07-11-2013 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 506 by Faith
07-11-2013 11:16 AM


Other folks sins are none of your business
Faith, even if the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, it is still none of your business. If you believe it is a sin, don't practice it.
But whether or not it is a sin has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not gays should be allowed to get married.
That too is simply none of your damn business.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 512 of 759 (702770)
07-11-2013 11:23 AM
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07-11-2013 11:21 AM


Right, equate the simple definition of what sin is with throwing stones. Boy you guys are really something.

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Message 513 of 759 (702772)
07-11-2013 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 511 by jar
07-11-2013 11:22 AM


Re: Other folks sins are none of your business
Anything that affects the social definitions that we are all required to live under is everybody's business. Homosexuals are free to live however they please, it's when they want to redefine society to suit themselves that it becomes everybody else's business.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 514 of 759 (702774)
07-11-2013 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 512 by Faith
07-11-2013 11:23 AM


Saying that gay people getting married is going to bring down civilization IS throwing stones.

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 515 of 759 (702775)
07-11-2013 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 509 by Faith
07-11-2013 11:20 AM


Re: Pointy Sticks
Oooooh....standard fall back plan of playing the martyr. Well, then let's have the evidence...
How have I been hateful toward you? Oh, I know I condemned you for evil ideas that treat certain people in society as less than human, but I do not hate you for it. Personally, I think that you are afraid of what happens after death and so you desperately cling to something that gives you hope of something later. In other words, I do not hate you, I feel sorry for you and these terrible ideas you have to somehow justify. I would not waste my time hating you, because I believe that you are simply terribly misinformed. Sadly, you accepted the indoctrination.
Now, about how you have spread hate:
1. You specifically deny the rights of certain individuals in the United States based solely upon Biblical reasoning. You feel that making this segment of society less, because you are literally barring them from the same freedoms, is okay. That is hateful.
2. You compare the activities of consenting adults to the activities of a predator that manipulates, coerces, forces, and pressures a child, incapable of giving informed consent, into sexual behavior. You do this to create an imaginary connection that will help you remove rights from people...This is hateful
3. You place blame for the spread of AIDs on the homosexual community. While it is a very large problem in this community, there is one thing you are forgetting...Where is your blame for the roles the churches, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, et al., have played in the spread of HIV and AIDS by refusing to allow their practitioners to choose the route of safe sex in an era when we know how the disease spreads...Denying your groups own blame and forcing the blame on another group is hateful
4. You speak of the idea of "Normal". As I stated, normal is simply a word that is used so that people can exclude others from their activities. I have never in my life met a "Normal" person, we all have our own idiosyncracies which is what makes life on this Earth so damn interesting. Judging people by a standard you created yourself is hateful.
Would you like me to keep pointing out the ways you have been hateful in this thread? Making a group of people second class citizens based on the writings of Iron Age people is evil, bigoted, hateful and wrong. And if you cannot see that, then I simply feel sorry for you and the blind hatred your God has forced you to live with.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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jar
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Message 516 of 759 (702777)
07-11-2013 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by Faith
07-11-2013 11:24 AM


Re: Other folks sins are none of your business
Utter bullshit Faith and yet another example of misrepresentation and your desire for special treatment.
You don't have to live under some "social definition", if you don't want to consider gays married then you are free to your little opinion.
It is no different than whether or not a previously married person who gets remarried is really married or not or if a Jew and a Christian or Roman Catholic and Protestant are really married.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 517 of 759 (702785)
07-11-2013 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
07-11-2013 11:33 AM


Re: Pointy Sticks
1. You specifically deny the rights of certain individuals in the United States based solely upon Biblical reasoning.
Oddly enough, I don't recall using Biblical reasoning at all in this discussion. If I have perhaps you can point it out? My arguments have had to do with the fact that marriage is an ancient institution that spans all times and cultures and always has only to do with heterosexual couples, with the exception of Nero's little sally into absurdity.
And again, where do "rights" enter into behavior that is socially and naturally aberrant? It is not I defining it so, it is history, all time and all cultures, which have defined it so. Again, shall we give rights to pedophiles too? You all insist there is no connection but there is: you are redefining something that was always considered to be aberrant as normal, something never contemplated by any sane society until very recently, so it is fair in the effort to get this across to you to point out that there are other "sexual orientations" besides homosexuality that you aren't quite ready to define as normal.
It is Politically Correct craziness to deny that AIDS is a homosexual disease. It started among the gays in the bath houses of the sixties and seventies, took thousands of lives among that group of people. I remember when the gays had to give up their bath house life in San Francisco and opt for monogamy instead. I knew one gay couple in particular who did that. Eventually one of them died of AIDS anyway from his bath house life.
Again, the term normal is a word society uses, not individuals, and it has to do with social stability, even social health.
I don't care what you keep "pointing out" about me as long as I know before God that I am telling the truth. Again, the only hate here is yours and the rest of my opponents.' Your language is full of hatred.

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Posts: 438
From: Tempe, Az.
Joined: 10-25-2012


Message 518 of 759 (702787)
07-11-2013 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Faith
07-11-2013 12:03 PM


Re: Pointy Sticks
Faith writes:
Oddly enough, I don't recall using Biblical reasoning at all in this discussion.
From Message 498
Faith writes:
In case you haven't noticed, 1) the polygamous practices of the Old Testament were NOT approved by God, and 2) the coming of Christ changed all that, clearly identifying marriage as one husband, one wife. I know you all love to pretend otherwise but it IS a pretense and you are wrong.
Just thought I'd point this out quick...but continue trying to say you have not said something...and historically I get way more than one wife, right?
Edited by Tempe 12ft Chicken, : No reason given.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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Faith 
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Message 519 of 759 (702788)
07-11-2013 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
07-11-2013 12:08 PM


Re: Pointy Sticks
Good grief, the reference to Old Testament polygamy was a specific answer to a specific post on that subject, it was not part of my argument against gay marriage. Not that you care to represent anything I say correctly of course.

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 520 of 759 (702790)
07-11-2013 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Faith
07-11-2013 12:03 PM


Re: Pointy Sticks
You are too blinded by your hatred to see any thing of reason, so I will leave you to it. Enjoy treating others as second class citizens and know that, while I am heterosexual, I will do anything in my power to ensure that my fellow homosexual Americans have every right the same as I do. If you are for America, you should be for Equality. However, your hatred blinds you and that is your own, to borrow a Christian phrase, your own bigoted cross to bear. Enjoy it...and know that you chose to remain on the wrong side. History will remember you the same way it remembers the bigots from the Civil Rights movement, as extremely misguided people..

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 521 of 759 (702791)
07-11-2013 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Faith
07-11-2013 12:10 PM


Re: Pointy Sticks
Faith writes:
Good grief, the reference to Old Testament polygamy was a specific answer to a specific post on that subject, it was not part of my argument against gay marriage. Not that you care to represent anything I say correctly of course.
But, historically, it was perfectly okay right? So, then according to your own argument, based solely on history, I get more than one wife, right? You cannot have it both ways...either it is historical, which means polygamy is golden...or its biblical, which means it has no place in the laws of a secular nation. I get that you say its a historic argument because you know you will lose on the separation of church and state argument if you argue biblically.
So, which marriage do we allow Faith? The historical, polygamy? Or the biblical, homosexual?

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity. - Richard Dawkins
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. - Issac Asimov
If you removed all the arteries, veins, & capillaries from a person’s body, and tied them end-to-endthe person will die. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
What would Buddha do? Nothing! What does the Buddhist terrorist do? Goes into the middle of the street, takes the gas, *pfft*, Self-Barbecue. The Christian and the Muslim on either side are yelling, "What the Fuck are you doing?" The Buddhist says, "Making you deal with your shit. - Robin Williams

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Message 522 of 759 (702792)
07-11-2013 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
07-11-2013 12:12 PM


Re: Pointy Sticks
Time will tell, Tempe, who will be remembered how.

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Message 523 of 759 (702794)
07-11-2013 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 521 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
07-11-2013 12:15 PM


Re: Pointy Sticks
How could it have been HISTORICALLY OK for the Israelites to have many wives if it was not OK with God? What kind of nonsense is that?

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Message 524 of 759 (702795)
07-11-2013 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 504 by Faith
07-11-2013 11:07 AM


Re: Faith once again simply lies and misrepresents what has been said.
Do you know the definition of pedophilia? Does it involve two consenting adults?

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 525 of 759 (702796)
07-11-2013 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 500 by Faith
07-11-2013 10:56 AM


Re: Pointy Sticks
Do you know the definition of pedophilia? Does it involve two consenting adults?

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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