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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You have made no actual argument here, so hence there is nothing to respond to Ill wait for an actual argument, if you see fit to present one I'm sorry, I made the mistake of supposing that you were familiar with the Bible. I was forgetting that you're a Christian. So, for those who've never bothered to read the Bible, it clearly says that on a number of occasions when Pharaoh had decided to agree to Moses' request, God made Pharaoh change his mind again so as to have an excuse to show off with another plague. See Exodus 7:1-5, Exodus 9:12, Exodus 10:1-2, Exodus 10:20, Exodus 10:27, Exodus 11:9-10.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I have explained to you twice now, that the choice is not what constitutes free will. That is the result of exercising free will. There was no mental tampering. Unless you believe the freakin' Bible.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
According to the story, he did change his mind ... No, according to the story God changed his mind.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How many actual swords did Jesus bring to his disciples, one each or several? None that I know of. You should try reading the Bible, it's really interesting.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But doesnt the Bible say, Jesus say "I have not come to bring peace but a sword" So shouldnt we believe jesus brought swords to people? No. Is there anything else really obvious you need helping with?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
To assume that an all powerful God needs to show off, doesnt seem like the most logical approach. So one would quickly abandon such a silly proposition, correct? And along with it, most of the Bible, the plot of which is mostly driven by the continual need of a supposedly omnipotent being to brag, bully, and show off. He seems terribly insecure and angry all the time for a being who supposedly can have anything he wants just by wishing.
If I am ever in a situation where my children need my physical attributes to protect them, it should be obvious that my goal is to use those abilites to PROTECT them, not to say to the opposing party, LOOK WHAT I CAN DO. And yet instead of clicking his fingers and wishing them out of Egypt, he announces his plan as follows:
You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country. But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. And the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The reason you wont and have not adressed any of them is because you know by simple observation and examination they are valid. Thier mere existence silences the idea that it is logically possible to interfer directly with someones free will, hence you are left with nothing but to claim them as assertion.. But I am sure your audience is aware you have failed to deal with a single example. Actually, the audience is aware that you've talking a lot of silly crap, and doing so in a ludicrously pompous manner into the bargain.
You would have to show how it is both biologically and rationally possible to be "under the control of another" before just assuming that this is possible. Matthew 19:26. And really, Dawn, you are worrying about things being biologically possible? Do you know the Bible has a talking donkey in it?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Ill get to the latest posts as quickly as time permits, but this one I wanted to address immediately. By biological I simply mean physically really happening (reality). If you are worried and perplexed by a talking donkey i would have you note that if you walk in your living room, there sits a TALKING BOX, called the television. The point being that if enough intelligence is applied in certain areas, wonderful and marvelous things can happen. I would venture to guess that you neither have enough intelligence to make a donky speak and you are probably jealous that you do not have that capacity. So it is obvious you lack the intelligence either to make it happen and lack the intelligence to understand how that may be possible. as usual Dr Inadequate you lose coming and going. It appears that I have made a donkey speak.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Simply put he failed to demonstrate why God would give free will then quickly remove it ... Fortunately, the Bible explains this:
But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. And the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And only someone not paying any attention at all, would not see the phrase in the passage "he will not listen to you". Whereas I, of course, saw the phrase. God announces that this will be the effect of God hardening Pharaoh's heart.
But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Actually, what the Bible says is this:
But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I'm not very familiar with Chick Publications ... How can I describe them? Put it this way: even you might think they're crazy.
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