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instead of blatantly insulting the level of intelligence of a person you are in no way acquainted with.

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Good point quicksink; insulting people on this board is frowned upon. I've collected a few random quotes from past threads to help cravingjava understand the nature of an insult.

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at which point the creationists would silently retreat to their reality resistant bomb shelter, ignoring evidence and truth.

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Oh, that would be the day- a creationist proving science wrong

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compressed time (just add stupidity)

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rational people only (no yecs)

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Originally posted by Diamus:
...You obviously found the essence of the letter offensive.

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Not really but obviously you are offended by the greatest and most influential book of the ages. Oh well, keep up the good work...

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Originally posted by Cravingjava:
Not really but obviously you are offended by the greatest and most influential book of the ages. Oh well, keep up the good work...

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In your opinion it is the "greatest book of all time"...but then,ask the Jews and they'll say its the Talmut or the Torah scrolls. Ask a Muslim,and he'll say the Quoran...but if you ask me,i reply none of the above. They are books well worth the read,no question there but only if you recognize them for what they are...the work of men who understood God about as well as you or i and tried to put that into words,along side stories,some real,some mythological,some a little of both and with whatever laws they wanted the people they led to accept without question,for whatever reason,some good(no killing,no stealing,wash your hands after you touch certain things before you eat),some bad(stone homosexuals,stone anyone gifted with a medium's sixth sense,you can sell your kids into slavery and enslave other human beings),and some downright weird and stupid(if you weave a cloth with different threads or light a match on a saturday,yep,thats right,you guessed it,we stone your ass)

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
...They are books well worth the read,no question there but only if you recognize them for what they are...the work of men who understood God about as well as you or i...

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Hehe...now you know how much I understand God? Dang...are you God?
The reason I ask is because your mindless bantering would not be what I would expect from God..but hey, what the heck do I know, right? I don't agree with you and so the only inference that can be made is that I am wrong. Hehe

Punisher,
Lol...that was a good one friend. With that said...
I have been hanging around these posts for awhile and I have assumed that what comes around, goes around. I guess I was wrong. If I have offended anyone...my deepest apologies.

Yes sir you are right. It is the greatest book of all time.
It is the most successful book, most wide spread and the most read.
It has lasted longer then any other book ever written and has been translated more then any other book. I do not find it offensive at all. In fact I find it very inspirational and believe it and christianity have done much good for the world. But I see the bible and christianity (along with many other religions) and primative. As you sir would see the aztec worship of a sun god or the salem witch hunt for that matter. I believe very much in the rights of others and living a good and moral life. In treating people as equals and spreading good will. I try not to judge you or others but you sir are judging me and my opinion as you have done to others in this post, one of the very things your bible forbids. I have observed that judgement is at the very heart of many religions. One religion judges another because of differences of belief. Most christians I know think they are better than non-christians (or, as your argument will probably be, "better off") and look down onto others as lowly and needing to be brought up or "saved". And the people of other religions ,in christian eyes, are obviously going to hell. I find that very sad and primative. I believe everyone has a right to there own opinion and a right to diplay that opinion without people like you coming around to "flame" them and tell them how wrong they are.
You come here acting christian and then going against the very grain of christianity with your actions. I do not judge you sir.
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As a Christian, I think the opinion expressed by Paine, while incorrect, does bring up an important point.The extreme position of Inerrancy depends on Luther's new doctrine of "Sola Scriptura". But scripture was compiled by men, who depended on tradition, inspiration, and scholarship to determine which books belonged, and which did not.Hence, these other sources of understanding are at least as reliable as the Bible, since that is how we obtained the Bible. One of the most common sins among modern Christians is an idolatry of the Bible.

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Originally posted by The Barbarian:
The extreme position of Inerrancy depends on Luther's new doctrine of "Sola Scriptura". ... One of the most common sins among modern Christians is an idolatry of the Bible.

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I wonder how many fundie's would appreciate knowing that a Lutheran doctrine is at the root of their belief system?Worship of The Book, or worship of books in general might be called, Doxabiblia, (from the Greek).

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Originally posted by Cravingjava:
Hehe...now you know how much I understand God? Dang...are you God?
The reason I ask is because your mindless bantering would not be what I would expect from God..but hey, what the heck do I know, right? I don't agree with you and so the only inference that can be made is that I am wrong. Hehe

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Dear Lord! are you just being silly here or is it really what you really think? i truly hope its the former. When i say,you or i,thats called A FIGURE OF SPEECH. But then,being a literalist,i may understand why you wouldn't know this. So go right ahead...Idolize your bible,instead of the message its supposed to contain...

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Originally posted by Diamus:
Yes sir you are right. It is the greatest book of all time.
It is the most successful book, most wide spread and the most read.
It has lasted longer then any other book ever written and has been translated more then any other book. I do not find it offensive at all. In fact I find it very inspirational and believe it and christianity have done much good for the world. But I see the bible and christianity (along with many other religions) and primative. As you sir would see the aztec worship of a sun god or the salem witch hunt for that matter. I believe very much in the rights of others and living a good and moral life. In treating people as equals and spreading good will. I try not to judge you or others but you sir are judging me and my opinion as you have done to others in this post, one of the very things your bible forbids. I have observed that judgement is at the very heart of many religions. One religion judges another because of differences of belief. Most christians I know think they are better than non-christians (or, as your argument will probably be, "better off") and look down onto others as lowly and needing to be brought up or "saved". And the people of other religions ,in christian eyes, are obviously going to hell. I find that very sad and primative. I believe everyone has a right to there own opinion and a right to diplay that opinion without people like you coming around to "flame" them and tell them how wrong they are.
You come here acting christian and then going against the very grain of christianity with your actions. I do not judge you sir.
Do not judge me.

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Wow...nice speech. Bunch of rhetoric crap but nice speech nonetheless.
Funny how your rebuke is only directed towards those that dare oppose your way of thinking. Maybe you should stick around a little longer to see who "flames" who. And for goodness sakes....take a chill pill friend. Your insecurity about your beliefs is way to to obvious.

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Originally posted by Cravingjava:
Wow...nice speech. Bunch of rhetoric crap but nice speech nonetheless.
Funny how your rebuke is only directed towards those that dare oppose your way of thinking. Maybe you should stick around a little longer to see who "flames" who. And for goodness sakes....take a chill pill friend. Your insecurity about your beliefs is way to to obvious.

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Actually,he was dead on target with his "speech" ,though expecting a christian to recognize that they use double and tripple standards all the time would require a truckload of faith on our parts. Christians Judge...they do nothing But. They are idolaters of the Bible and completely forgot what the message of the Bible is. They dont see Christ for what he was,a messenger from God,but as their ticket to greatness,ruling at his side as crowned sovereign of the planet. "Judge not,lest ye be judged as well"...ring a bell?

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
Actually,he was dead on target with his "speech" ,though expecting a christian to recognize that they use double and tripple standards all the time would require a truckload of faith on our parts. Christians Judge...they do nothing But. They are idolaters of the Bible and completely forgot what the message of the Bible is. They dont see Christ for what he was,a messenger from God,but as their ticket to greatness,ruling at his side as crowned sovereign of the planet. "Judge not,lest ye be judged as well"...ring a bell?

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Lol...wow, what a hypocrite. Because I believe the bible to be the word of God, I can't have episodes of acting like a self righteous moron too? How unfair!Let me see if I understand you correctly....If I declare the bible to be false and not the word of God (like you), then I can act like a butthead (like you)and no one will care?
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Originally posted by LudvanB:
Actually,he was dead on target with his "speech" ,though expecting a christian to recognize that they use double and tripple standards all the time would require a truckload of faith on our parts. Christians Judge...they do nothing But. They are idolaters of the Bible and completely forgot what the message of the Bible is. They dont see Christ for what he was,a messenger from God,but as their ticket to greatness,ruling at his side as crowned sovereign of the planet. "Judge not,lest ye be judged as well"...ring a bell?

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Lol...wow, what a hypocrite. Because I believe the bible to be the word of God, I can't have episodes of acting like a self righteous moron too? How unfair!

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Let me see if I understand you correctly....If I declare the bible to be false and not the word of God (like you), then I can act like a butthead (like you)and no one will care?
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Well first,lets examin this a little further. How exactly would you define acting as a...how did you say?...Butthead?(very eloquent,BTW). Would you say that anyone who does not believe in the Bible as being the literal words of God are all "Buttheads" by default? Is the unquestionning belief in your chosen religion the only evidence of intelligence you accept? Do you believe that it is possible for someone to be an educated,intelligent and well intentionned,good hearted person with moral values,different from yours but strong values nevertheless,and at the same time NOT believe that the Bible in the innerant word of God?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cravingjava:
Let me see if I understand you correctly....If I declare the bible to be false and not the word of God (like you), then I can act like a butthead (like you)and no one will care?
Hehe [/B][/QUOTE]You seem to be doing a fine job of that already. If you have something to contribut to the board in the way of discussion, please state your case. If your only contribution is to call people buttheads, then please don't post. I know these arguements can get heated, but avoid slander. It reflects poorly on you, and I doubt people from either side of the debate wants to hear such rhetoric.

It is useless to converse intellegently with such people due to all the faith and ignorance they wrap themselves in. Like a mother sheilding her young from the "real" world. No other opinions but there own can possible be right. It is useless, I am sorry to say.

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