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Author Topic:   Question for creationists: Why would you rather believe in a small God?
Faith
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Message 181 of 301 (703219)
07-16-2013 4:36 PM
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07-16-2013 4:23 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
The sandstone had to have been scraped off something, it's part of the belt that's always described as erosion. The layer above is sandstone.

The volcano would have provided both heat and pressure forcing the tilting of the lower layers up against the upper layers, enough to metamorphose the lower rocks.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 182 of 301 (703220)
07-16-2013 4:38 PM
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07-16-2013 4:28 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Abusive talk has become standard at EvC lately. Are you proud of yourself?

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Message 183 of 301 (703221)
07-16-2013 4:39 PM
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07-16-2013 4:38 PM


Pride is an abomination.

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Faith
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Message 184 of 301 (703222)
07-16-2013 4:42 PM
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07-16-2013 4:39 PM


Well, that's a start, because you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Message 185 of 301 (703223)
07-16-2013 4:48 PM
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07-16-2013 4:42 PM


I feel no shame for calling out a surly curmudgeon who won't stop lying.

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Message 186 of 301 (703224)
07-16-2013 4:50 PM
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07-16-2013 4:36 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
quote:

The sandstone had to have been scraped off something, it's part of the belt that's always described as erosion. The layer above is sandstone.

You're not making sense. Please explain what sandstone you think was "scraped off', where it was "scraped off" from and why you believe that.

quote:

The volcano would have provided both heat and pressure forcing the tilting of the lower layers up against the upper layers, enough to metamorphose the lower rocks.

If the problem is the LACK of metamorphism in the lower rocks, postulating a heat source below isn't really the answer.

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Faith
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Message 187 of 301 (703225)
07-16-2013 5:41 PM
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07-16-2013 4:48 PM


If I were Admin I'd take you out for a couple of weeks for your last few posts.

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Message 188 of 301 (703226)
07-16-2013 6:43 PM
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07-16-2013 12:50 AM


Re: Science meets Faith
The "species" that are created by the process of "speciation," which does in fact occur though it is misnamed, are not new Species, just varieties of the same Species ...

And yet, you know, your fellow YECs disagree with you. So, for example, AnswersInGenesis has the "no new species" claim on their list of "Arguments that should never be used". Creation Ministries International says "New species have been observed to form." The CreationWiki says: "Species have been observed to form".

YEC organizations are burying that argument like a cat burying its shit. So, Faith, why do you think that is? And do you think they'll be grateful to you for digging it up again?

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Message 189 of 301 (703227)
07-16-2013 6:59 PM
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07-16-2013 1:30 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Of course I've given evidence, the main evidence being the very fact of the layers of separate sediments themselves, which is far easier explained in terms of what water does ...

Could I remind you that, because you've never studied geology, you neither know what water does, nor what the layers look like?

People who have studied geology and do know these things think that you're talking nonsense.

... than in terms of millions of years to lay down each separate layer. Which is absurd.

Of course it's absurd. All the crazy stuff you've made up in your head is absurd. It would truly be absurd if geologists asserted that each bed took millions of years to form, but they don't, because they're sane.

You would know this if you'd ever taken an interest in geology, but you haven't, which is why you know nothing about it.

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And Faith, for heaven's sake, you must know that you've never bothered to study geology in any way. You must therefore know that you're completely ignorant of the subject. So why are you discussing it in public? Are you hoping that you'll say something true just by luck --- or do you just no longer care whether you're telling the truth or not?

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Faith
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Message 190 of 301 (703228)
07-16-2013 7:48 PM
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07-16-2013 6:43 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
As I said, speciation occurs but it is not what they or you think it is.

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Faith
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Message 191 of 301 (703229)
07-16-2013 7:49 PM
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07-16-2013 6:59 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Each bed is labeled with ages in the millions, who cares exactly when evolutionists decided they must have formed so as not to seem quite as idiotic as they are. The age range is ludicrous enough no matter how or when they think the actual sediments were deposited.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 192 of 301 (703230)
07-16-2013 8:07 PM
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07-16-2013 7:49 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Each bed is labeled with ages in the millions ...

This is true (except the very recent beds, of course). Now compare the proposition that the beds are millions of years old with the crap that you made up in your head in post #158.

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Message 193 of 301 (703231)
07-16-2013 8:10 PM
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07-16-2013 7:48 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
As I said, speciation occurs but it is not what they or you think it is.

It's funny, when we were discussing marriage, you were all up in arms at the thought of people redefining a poor helpless word.

But now we have a word whose meaning is so universally agreed on that there's consensus on its meaning between me and AnswersInGenesis, and between Richard Dawkins and Creation Ministries International --- and what do you want to do? You want to redefine it.

Apparently when you recoil in horror from the redefinition of words, you do so very very selectively.

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Message 194 of 301 (703232)
07-16-2013 8:33 PM
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07-16-2013 7:49 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Faith writes:

Each bed is labeled with ages in the millions, who cares exactly when evolutionists decided they must have formed so as not to seem quite as ******* as they are. The age range is ludicrous enough no matter how or when they think the actual sediments were deposited.

And again, do you have any evidence to support some other age?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith
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Message 195 of 301 (703233)
07-16-2013 9:36 PM
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07-16-2013 8:10 PM


Re: Science meets Faith
Of course it obscured my point to say I was objecting to the redefinition of a WORD, when of course I'm objecting to the redefinition of the CONCEPT, the INSTITUTION of marriage itself.

Yes, I have the nerve to think everybody's wrong about speciation, and again it's the real thing I'm talking about, not the word. It describes the situation of a small population's splitting off from a larger population to form a new variety of creature, which is called a new "Species" because it cannot interbreed with its former population. That's an artificial and meaningless criterion.

In actual fact the reason such a new population can't interbreed with the former population is most likely that it is a genetic mismatch due to reduction in genetic variability, caused by the smaller number of individuals from which it developed, which is a condition which works against the possibility of further evolution. But of course the usual establishment idea is that there is always a neverending possibility of getting new species from former species. It can't happen. Even if mutation happened as you all think it does, further evolution can't happen from a condition of genetic depletion.

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