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Author Topic:   Should the Bible contain the Old Testement?
kofh2u
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Message 27 of 32 (703747)
07-29-2013 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ohnhai
02-23-2006 2:50 AM


The Holy Comforter is not exactly a replacement...
given the second testament via Jesus then, for a Christian, the Old Testament should be meaningless.
The New Testament is a comforter for the Jews who realized that Jesus was the suffering messiah.
The comforter they had in reminding themselves of the whole gospel story and the amazing things Jesus taught them were at first told by the witnesses, and set down in writing @ 54AD.
But the Old Testament is the very source for what Jesus revealed.
Jesus said "I am the truth," and he meant, truth about what the Old Testament is telling us, as opposed to the Rabbi and pharisees of his own day.
He also meant in a larger sense, that he personified Truth, itself, and the natural opposition to the Truth by men in general.
His message was to do as the Torah says, by facing the Truth about what it is we and the Jews then were really doing.
Much like the Catholic of today who "confesses" of Saturday and pays a tithe on Sunday, but returns again next week to the same vices, the Jews had become fixated in their same bad behavior in spite of offering up their sacrifices of barley, doves, and lambs.
Jesus was facing down the forces that maintain a culture that does what it wants, while preaching otherwise.
We saw the Christianity of Truth at work in 1965 when Rev Martin Luther King stood for the Truth when it was unpopular.

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kofh2u
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Message 29 of 32 (703805)
07-29-2013 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Philip
03-21-2006 9:49 AM


Torah can not be fulfilled by laws...
(1) I'm not sure the simplified OT Jewish religion (i.e., 'Love God and neighbor') is a viable mechanism anyway, as it denies Christ: that Jesus is not the Redeemer, the Atonement, the Gospel, the Resurrection, the New Life, etc.
It requires Truth for people to recognize that their selfish motivations which drive the behaviors that hurt others is not loving of God or others.
Religious paradigms again and again set up systems where cycles of sinning are excused by confessions, tithes, donations, sacrifices of grain or doves or bulls, while the same actual behavior continues from generation into the next generation.
A society can be redeemed when the Truth espoused by Rev Martin Luther King become apparent to the sinners, and they actually change.
The century of "Separate but Equal" is good example of lip service that avoided the Truth, and allowed white America to feel "all was well in the world of USA cultural practices."
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Jesus said, "I am The Truth,... and the way and the life"....
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