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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
The Jehovahs Witnesses are a cult. Period. Bs'd They think that your branch of Christianity is a cult. Period. And so do the Unitarians. And they are right. Edited by Eliyahu, : No reason given. Edited by Eliyahu, : No reason given.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
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Worshiping a whole divine family is polytheism = idolatry. It's as simple as that. And saying a hundred times "1 + 1 + 1 = 1" is not going to change that fact. God is ONE, and not three. That's what the Bible teaches us. The rest are all teachings of men.
שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE. And you shall love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.And these words which I command you this day shall be upon your heart; and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. Deut 6:4-9 Y-H-W-H, the one and only God who is one. Beside Him there is no God, no Buddha, no JC, no David Koresh; NOBODY. Whoever worships anything or anybody else than Y-H-W-H is an IDOL WORSHIPER.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
The Bible was wrong, that's why God had to send himself in the form of a man to get us to get it right. Bs'd So the whole Bible teaches that God is one, NOWHERE in the Bible is anything to be found that says that God is three, and your reaction is: "The Bible is wrong"?? Well, I guess that is one way out of the problems, just throw the whole Bible overboard and follow the teachings of men.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Lets assume that you are right and that G-d truly is One. Bs'd It is not a matter of me being right, it's a matter of the Bible being right. The whole Bible, including the NT, teaches that GOD IS ONE. NOWHERE is it written that God is three or three in one.
What type of relationship do you have with your G-d? Do you realy think or imagine that all that He really desires for you to do is to go around ranting and raving about this whole idea that He is One? "GOD IS ONE" is not an idea, it is a BIBLICAL teaching. "God is three or three in one" however is NOWHERE to be found in Scripture. Not even in the NT.
The problem with JWs is that they have made an idol out of their teaching. Christians made an idol out of JC. Not the Unitarians, and not the JW's. It is therefore ridiculous to accuse them of being idol worshippers. You are the idol worshipper.
They believe that they have to fervently do meaningless works like correct everybody else. Find me some who a actually feed the poor or visit anyone in prison or whom is sick. Do you do any of these things? Yes I do. And how come you call these things "meaningless"? Is it because you don't bother to do any of them?
If not, your faith without works wont help you. G-d is not impressed with you defending His Oneness. It is not enough. But it is a great good deed. And yes, I go by the whole Torah, also the part that says: "Love your neighbour like yourself." . . In the service of Y-H-W-H, Eliyahu, light unto the nations "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5 . .
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
I think you're trying to say that there's an unstated implication in the phrase "is one". You're trying to say that means "is one part", but that's not what the Bible actually says, that just your own man-made theory. Bs'd The Bible teaches that GOD IS ONE. It doesn't state what is one, therefore God is one in every aspect. Simply plain ONE. And therefore not three, or three in one.
Given that there is nothing else in the universe that "is one part", there's no reason to think God would be like that either. The reason to think that God is ONE, is the fact that He says so in His word, the Hebrew Bible. . . In the service of Y-H-W-H, Eliyahu, light unto the nations "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5 . .
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Well of course. I mean, have you read the Old Testament? That god was a jerk. Good thing he got replaced. Bs'd So you admit that you don't believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of Israel. You believe in a man-god, that you have made for yourself. . . In the service of Y-H-W-H, Eliyahu, light unto the nations "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5 . .
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Three in one is still one. Bs'd God is either one or He is three. Not both at the same time.
And saying God is one part is just putting unnecessary limits on God. Nothing is just one part. Everything is made up of multiple parts. Except for God, He is ONE. . . In the service of Y-H-W-H, Eliyahu, light unto the nations "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5 . .
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2287 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Does the Shema (Deut 6:4) Prove There are No Other gods? Bs'd No. The Shma proves God is one. For there not being any other Gods than Y-H-W-H we have other texts: . . Deuteronomy 4:35 You were shown these things so that you might know that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. II Samuel 7:22 How great you are, O Sovereign Y-H-W-H! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears. I Kings 8:60 so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Y-H-W-H is God and that there is no other. I Chronicles 17:20 There is no one like you, O Y-H-W-H, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears. II Chronicles 6:14 O Y-H-W-H, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven or on earth.Nehemiah 9:6 You alone are Y-H-W-H. Isaiah 45:21-23 You are my witnesses," declares Y-H-W-H, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me." Isaiah 44:6 This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Isaiah 45:5-6 I am Y-H-W-H , and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me." Isaiah 45:21-23 Declare what is to be, present it- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, Y-H-W-H? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. Joel 2:27 Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H your God, and that there is no other; Exodus 20:1-3 And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. . . In the service of Y-H-W-H, Eliyahu, light unto the nations "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!"Deut 6:4 "All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!"Micah 4:5 . .
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