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Theodoric
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Message 867 of 1324 (704172)
08-05-2013 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 866 by GDR
08-05-2013 2:32 PM


Since there is no evidence of the supernatural why would that be the default?
We have evidence of natural processes evolving from other natural processes(your use of "mindless" is meaningless and a poor attempt to muddy the waters). We have NO evidence for the supernatural or any "intelligent first cause".
Why would I or anyone else consider an answer that has absolutely no evidence?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 871 of 1324 (704201)
08-05-2013 5:54 PM
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08-05-2013 5:01 PM


Also, I have become a little uncomfortable with the term supernatural. I’m more of the mind that everything in the long run is natural but that there is still a great deal left to be discovered.
WTF?
So you think the intelligent designer is some sort of alien intelligence that can work outside of natural processes? That would make it supernatural. Maybe you just need a good dictionary.
For example if you had told someone 100 years ago about a myriad of things that we know scientifically today, he/she would have thought that you were talking would be considered supernatural.
An uneducated person maybe, but not an educated person. There were many people that were considering some of these scientific advances hundreds of years ago. This is but another of your myriad of assertions with nothing to back it up. Your ignorance does not mean everyone else is just as ignorant.
but the question is what was the natural process that kicked off evolution from base elements to sentient life in the first place.
Maybe if I yell it you will understand.
WE DO NOT KNOW.
But that we do not know does not mean the default is some intelligent designer. It means WE DO NOT KNOW.
Again, we are either the result of an intelligent agency with intention, or we are the result of a ________(you can fill in the blank as you don’t like mindless) agency that is purposeless.
No this is not an either or. What we are is the result of chemistry and physics. No intelligence needed.
There is no scientific evidence for either position so we have to form our conclusions based on other considerations.
No wrong.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 883 of 1324 (704259)
08-07-2013 11:34 AM
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08-06-2013 5:05 PM


Others are addressing these issues. So I will sit back and not pile on. That way you can concentrate on just a couple posts. If you feel I am ignoring something, let me know.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1311 of 1324 (708940)
10-16-2013 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1305 by Phat
10-16-2013 10:37 AM


Re: Reasonable Ramblings
Wow!!!!
That is a hell of a stretch.
All you have done is shown that religious people can make bible passages mean absolutely anything they want.
I mean this is Faith crazy stuff you are spouting.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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