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Author Topic:   Scriptural evidence that Jesus is Messiah:
jar
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Message 226 of 304 (674760)
10-02-2012 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by jaywill
10-02-2012 4:24 PM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
Again with irrelevant quote mining.
We were talking about your attempted quote mine that was related to the Isaiah prophecy and it does stand up there as I demonstrated.

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jar
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Message 228 of 304 (674762)
10-02-2012 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by jaywill
10-02-2012 4:43 PM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
jaywill writes:
Therefore the biased self serving national propoganda theory does nothing to help your case of failed prophesy here.
Are you really that dense?
The discussion is about fulfilled prophecy.
You asked for an example of fulfilled prophecy in Message 203 and I provided one in Message 204 and again in Message 208 at which point you started your normal Gish gallop, down the rabbit hole, move them goal posts tap dance.
And now you have the nerve to try to palm the pea yet again and pretend I was talking about failed prophecy?

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jar
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Message 230 of 304 (674766)
10-02-2012 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by jaywill
10-02-2012 6:58 PM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
You asked for an example of fulfilled prophecy in Message 203 and I provided one in Message 204 and again in Message 208.
It really is that simple.
AbE: and the prophecy has nothing top do with Jesus.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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jar
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Message 237 of 304 (674812)
10-03-2012 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by jaywill
10-03-2012 9:21 AM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
Matthew can claim some fulfillment but unless the original source confirms it, Matthew is simply wrong.
In this case (those prophecies in Isaiah) the author of Matthew is simply wrong.
It really is that simple.

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jar
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Message 238 of 304 (674813)
10-03-2012 9:34 AM
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10-03-2012 9:29 AM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
The author of Matthew can't predict the birth of Jesus.
Sorry but it really is that simple.

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jar
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Message 239 of 304 (674815)
10-03-2012 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by jaywill
10-03-2012 9:12 AM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
The author of Matthew is marketing a revisionist form of Judaism. The author is writing after the fact. The author is not making prophecy. The author is simply wrong.

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jar
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Message 242 of 304 (674830)
10-03-2012 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by jaywill
10-03-2012 10:35 AM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
Zoooooommmmm....there go them goal posts.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
You asked for an example of fulfilled Biblical Prophecy and I gave you an example of fulfilled prophecy.
It really i that simple.

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jar
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Message 247 of 304 (674836)
10-03-2012 11:33 AM
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10-03-2012 11:23 AM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
Sheesh.
quote:
You asked for an example of fulfilled prophecy in Message 203 and I provided one in Message 204 and again in Message 208.
It really is that simple.
AbE: and the prophecy has nothing top do with Jesus.
Yet again.

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jar
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Message 248 of 304 (674837)
10-03-2012 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by jaywill
10-03-2012 11:33 AM


Re: Contradictions in the Bible
Again again, that has NOTHING to do with prophecy, it is written after the fact.

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jar
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Message 251 of 304 (674843)
10-03-2012 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by jaywill
10-03-2012 11:44 AM


And that is called quote mining, taking stuff out of context.
Yes, the author of Matthew is trying to shoehorn his position in by taking a single verse out of context. When you honestly go back and read Isaiah 7 though you find that the author is misrepresenting what was actually written.
Here is Isaiah 7 in full, not quote mined.
quote:
Isaiah 7
Now it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to make war against it, but could not prevail against it. 2 And it was told to the house of David, saying, Syria’s forces are deployed in Ephraim. So his heart and the heart of his people were moved as the trees of the woods are moved with the wind.
3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and Shear-Jashub your son, at the end of the aqueduct from the upper pool, on the highway to the Fuller’s Field, 4 and say to him: ‘Take heed, and be quiet; do not fear or be fainthearted for these two stubs of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah have plotted evil against you, saying, 6 Let us go up against Judah and trouble it, and let us make a gap in its wall for ourselves, and set a king over them, the son of Tabel 7 thus says the Lord God:
It shall not stand,
Nor shall it come to pass.
8 For the head of Syria is Damascus,
And the head of Damascus is Rezin.
Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be broken,
So that it will not be a people.
9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria,
And the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son.
If you will not believe,
Surely you shall not be established.’
10 Moreover the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11 Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God; ask it either in the depth or in the height above.
12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!
13 Then he said, Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. 17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s housedays that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.
18 And it shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will whistle for the fly
That is in the farthest part of the rivers of Egypt,
And for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.
19 They will come, and all of them will rest
In the desolate valleys and in the clefts of the rocks,
And on all thorns and in all pastures.
20 In the same day the Lord will shave with a hired razor,
With those from beyond the River, with the king of Assyria,
The head and the hair of the legs,
And will also remove the beard.
21 It shall be in that day
That a man will keep alive a young cow and two sheep;
22 So it shall be, from the abundance of milk they give,
That he will eat curds;
For curds and honey everyone will eat who is left in the land.
23 It shall happen in that day,
That wherever there could be a thousand vines
Worth a thousand shekels of silver,
It will be for briers and thorns.
24 With arrows and bows men will come there,
Because all the land will become briers and thorns.
25 And to any hill which could be dug with the hoe,
You will not go there for fear of briers and thorns;
But it will become a range for oxen
And a place for sheep to roam.
It does NOT refer to anything that will happen hundreds of years in the future but to immediate local events.
Edited by jar, : fix quote box

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jar
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Message 253 of 304 (674847)
10-03-2012 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by jaywill
10-03-2012 12:09 PM


That's called the theology of anything the person can make up. By that reasoning the Bible says that God is the source of all evil and that there is no God.
Sorry but quote mining is simply dishonest at best.

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jar
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Message 290 of 304 (704235)
08-06-2013 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Archangel
08-06-2013 3:53 PM


Re: There are no 100 and no 300 messianic prophecies. Doesn't exist.
This post is not only sad and reprehensible, it is blasphemous as you compare the sacrifice Messiah made in propitiation for YOUR sins as you place a chicken in His place in order to cheapen what He did for you on Calvary’s Cross.
That you can read those OT prophetic passages and not recognize Jesus in them speaks volumes regarding the severity of your spiritual blindness . I love the Jew so much because salvation came to this world by way of the Jew yet I mourn that in these end times so many of you remain completely blind to the relationship you could have with G-D if only you would seek Him with an open heart rather than with a closed fist.
Tell me this my spiritually blind friend, the Messiah is prophesied to come and save the Jews throughout the Old Testament, I say He came first 2000 years ago, and is preparing to return for His children and to judge this world at the end of this Age; when, if ever do you see Messiah coming for the first time if you reject Jesus Christ as Messiah even though He Himself said that is who He IS? Remember Elliyahu, Jesus Christ was either a LIAR, a LUNATIC or the LORD. All of the available historical evidence supports Him being the Lord and all of your childish denials and legalistic interpretations of scripture will NEVER change that FACT.
Again, you have my sorrow and my sympathy for your rejection of Messiah, I will pray that the scales are removed from your eyes before its too late for you.
Yet you failed to show that even ONE of your so called Prophecies referred to Jesus.
I will pray that the scales are removed from your eyes before its too late for you.
Honestly though, when Jesus does come in judgement I imagine that he will just chuckle softly and pat you on your head; maybe even give you a "Good Effort" trophy so you don't feel too hurt.

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jar
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Message 294 of 304 (704245)
08-06-2013 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by kofh2u
08-06-2013 8:14 PM


Re: There are no 100 and no 300 messianic prophecies. Doesn't exist.
Utter bullshit from kof2u who continues just just make shit up and pretend that it is actually in the Bible.
Classic example of perverting what was actually written.
What a sad, pathetic troll kof2u is.

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jar
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Message 301 of 304 (704270)
08-07-2013 7:16 PM


No scriptural evidence that Jesus is the Messiah was presented.
Archangel presented a list of supposed prophecies then ran away without supporting his assertions.
kof2u showed up and just posted nonsense, making shit up and rewriting what is actually written.
Once again, looks like as usual the Biblical folk don't even read the Bible.

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